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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14685 on: March 31, 2015, 12:27:47 pm »

@RC: Ah, no didn't see the edit.

And sure, space magic can handwave a lot of problems away. However, what you say about the fleshwrapper is not entirely true. Sure, cosmetic changes or simple changes are simple with it, but actually creating something with it is hard.
See the following http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.msg5334056#msg5334056
and http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136149.msg5337843#msg5337843 (they also exist as citations in the organochemistry overrider page. Glad I made those questions to piecewise, they gave me some ideas for Hephaestus research.)

Machines are more than software. That's what I'm talking about.
For an extreme example, think of some kind of clockwork robot. The only way to alter that robot would be to alter it physically. For something more likely to come up, imagine having to change the position of a physical object, perhaps to reestablish a physical connection or to change the resistance of a resistor to melt a component. Just like the Overrider gives you the opportunity to mess with the DNA of something, you'd also get the chance to mess with the internals of the machine. Hard to do but potentially very useful. Don't know, if piecewise thinks it's too OP or open to abuse he can stick to software.

@Nik: See the links I gave RC. The reason that works is because you're just altering their body, not controlling them. You're just changing their DNA or healing a wound or stopping their heart.

Why would you control computers with it? It's just a "join the dark side create lightning" amp not an "understand machines" amp. Again, look at the posts above, that would require at least some understanding of what you are trying to do, a way to understand it, a way to get inputs and outputs... Much more complex than create lightning.

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14686 on: March 31, 2015, 12:35:47 pm »

Well, since it's possible to use manips to change xeno biology without the intuitive understanding of the amp, I presume it operates on the user second-guessing the changes and implementing them. Med instead of Cha reasoning.

So same here. It would not give you understanding of a machine if you're not a machine, but you can still influence it quite a bit. You just have to guess right, very likely based on Aux.

One does not have to hold the puppet in their hands all the time to control it, if they can simply pull the right strings from time to time. But yeah, that's not what "total mind control" of a computer is about.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14687 on: March 31, 2015, 12:52:36 pm »

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14688 on: March 31, 2015, 12:55:13 pm »

Can there be explosives in the pies?
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14689 on: March 31, 2015, 12:59:17 pm »

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Either way, I was thinking more in the direction of 'mind control amp for computers' and less physical altering. So this thing wouldn't be able to really do anything to a fully clockwork man, I'd guess, but a crystal 'computer' it could influence.

Though maybe that's how we can make the split: one nicely calibrated for software, the other not but can influence hardware as well?
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14690 on: March 31, 2015, 02:43:01 pm »

@Joker people: need to talk to you or at least renegadelobster and a few of you over IRC tonight to check the list of items you're taking and help add a few more items if necessary. I've been avoiding posting in the on-ship thread for a while now due to the mission and mechanics shift.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14691 on: March 31, 2015, 02:45:48 pm »

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14692 on: March 31, 2015, 02:49:03 pm »

Who won the pimp contest by the way?
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14693 on: March 31, 2015, 02:56:52 pm »

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14694 on: March 31, 2015, 03:03:34 pm »

Who won the pimp contest by the way?
Piecewise.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14695 on: March 31, 2015, 03:04:14 pm »

Piecewise's ruling on manipulators and amplifiers:

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14696 on: March 31, 2015, 03:06:39 pm »

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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14697 on: March 31, 2015, 03:09:43 pm »

Does that mean that guns no longer fire multiple times per turn in comparison to amps and manips?
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14698 on: March 31, 2015, 03:10:26 pm »

Spiderbrains plus manipulators sounds like a fun combo, though possibly only aesthetically.

All in all, manipulators are starting to sound like the perfect weapon for a medic of the HMRC tradition.
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Re: Einsteinian Roulette: OOC
« Reply #14699 on: March 31, 2015, 03:10:58 pm »

Does that mean that guns no longer fire multiple times per turn in comparison to amps and manips?
I'd imagine the ones that could do that still do. After all, that's the point of an automatic weapon.
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