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[Ukrainian Ranger]

I find it amusing how Russians actually believe that their crappy weapons are the best in the world. Propaganda works

[Sean Mirrsen]

I find it equally amusing how everyone else believes that theirs are significantly better. Propaganda works both ways.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

No, Ukrainian army and equipment is even shittier than Russian. But if you truly believe that country that is unable to produce it's own cellphone or CPU can filed the best modern weapons in any field then you do believe propaganda

Plus, the most important of any military equipment is a man who controls it. And training in Russian Army is substandard (Again, Ukrainian training is likely worse)

NATO will need few weeks to destroy majority of Russian armed forces in conventional warfare. That is obvious. But Obama  announced that there are will be no military help to Ukraine and USA will limit it to economic sanctions.

[miljan]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_level_of_military_equipment

[Mictlantecuhtli]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Lolol Uzbekistan has more power than Finland.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I'd like to put this out there as consideration: we have both our own cellphones, and our own CPUs. I know this for a fact because the latter has a list page on Wikipedia (however much a "fact" that makes), and an example of the former is sitting on a shelf beside me, and I only upgraded from it because of Windows Mobile and crappy chinese battery with hard-to-find replacements. (seriously, RoverPC should step up their game a bit.)

The problem, as it were, is that... well, we don't need our own! We are flooded with cheap and cheerful hardware from China and Korea, and what we do make here is mostly intended for military or research use, so even if our tech base is smaller than the US's, ours is more specialized and directed.

As for training... well, drawing a blank there, I don't have concrete data on the actual military performance of either our or anyone else's armies. But I doubt that what difference does exist there is enough to overcome the home territory advantage. ^_^

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Rating that lists Ukrainian army higher than Swedish or Iranian is LOL

But even if it would be true rating, than country #2 against #1, #5,#6,#7,#8 and allies is not winnable

[miljan]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Rating that lists Ukrainian army higher than Swedish or Iranian is LOL

But even if it would be true rating, than country #2 against #1, #5,#6,#7,#8 and allies is not winnable

Well than country number #3 and  #4 and other  can join the fight and maybe it will not be the case anymore, full world war 3.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Then, suddenly, martians will invade.

[scriver]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Rating that lists Ukrainian army higher than Swedish or Iranian is LOL

But even if it would be true rating, than country #2 against #1, #5,#6,#7,#8 and allies is not winnable

Well, Sweden has a very under-trained and under-equipped "proffesional" army. I think the only parts that's actually worth anything are the "specialist units" that we like to show off and send abroad. It's still nice to see us above the other Scandinavians though (even though the only advantages over Norway and Finland I could think of is population). They're getting a bit uppity lately

[Helgoland]

I don't trust a list that puts Germany as the #7 military power in the world. We suck!

[Sergarr]

I don't trust a list that puts Germany as the #7 military power in the world. We suck!

But we suck harder! 

Looks like people tend to overestimate the military in other countries, and underestimate their own military. Pretty interesting, if you ask me.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Rating that lists Ukrainian army higher than Swedish or Iranian is LOL

But even if it would be true rating, than country #2 against #1, #5,#6,#7,#8 and allies is not winnable

Well than country number #3 and  #4 and other  can join the fight and maybe it will not be the case anymore, full world war 3.

I can imagine few reasons why China may join the war on Russian side but India? Truly, Martians are more likely. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_level_of_military_equipment

That list is much better for analysys. At least there are numbers

Combined military budget of NATO is in another world, and let's not forget about corruption in Russian army, so effective budget is lower

Comparing Navies is not even funny. Not only numbers are from different realms, tech levels are too. Black Sea will see no Russian ships as soon as First NATO task force arrives. That if Turks not do the job first

Tanks? Well, on park 23 000 Russian tanks look good... But Combined NATO power is roughly the same in the size. As for tech level and condition of the tanks... I bet that NATO's are way better on average. Finally, in modern war tanks are usually destroyed not by other tanks
And from where Russia will get 23 000 tank crews who actually know how to effectively use the tanks

NATO has definitely larger air-force. And of better quality, not only by tech level but by training and actual combat experience of pilots. Russia may have  1300 fighters, but 1300 worthy pilots? I doubt it

And so on... Believing that Russia has any chance against NATO in conventional war isn't smart.

[Sergarr]

Of course if NATO would intervene we'd threaten with nukes right away. We are not stupid, you know.

[Helgoland]

UR, that list may not be too reliable - just look at Bangladesh's nuclear arsenal.