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« Reply #3930 on: March 27, 2014, 03:17:44 pm »

Also, I've seen many Ukrainian posts (example: http://censor.net.ua/forum/697916/pravyyi_sektor_nachal_shturm_rady/sortby/tree/order/desc/page/1#comments) saying, that the Right Sector are pro-Russian agents... That's quite a turn of mind!
And a perverted one. Those guys might be anything but Russian agents. Or they just pretend extremely well to be anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists.
Well, what better way to marginalize a group of people that you don't want to hold any kind of influence by throwing around propaganda saying that they are with the enemy?  Regardless of fact.

Yes there are conflict. Yep it exist. Because you know, Maydan was a revolution against police brutality. That what started the whole thing, not EU or even corruption of Yanukovich. And what we see month later after the victory? Lack of any real reforms of police. ZERO arrests of officers responsible for violence and tortures. Very few arrests of Pro-Russian collaborators that destabilize situation in eastern regions and finally a murder of one of Far-Right leaders and guerilla warfare specialists (Right time to eliminate him, Isn't it?). His resistance during arrest looks like a typical fairy tale.

Police are same bastards as they were, if current interior minister is unable to change it for better then he must go. One month is enough to see his inability to make positive changes. Let's forget that Yanukovich downfall started after he rejected to remove interior minister on December 2013. If that government think that due to the threat of Russian invasion they can do anything... That is wrong

Oh, and nothing bad happened, there are no assault of parliament, molotovs or something like that. Peaceful protests but with demands and radical slogans
I'd like to ask, the revolutionaries who were throwing around molotovs and those who inflicted harm to others, are they also not getting arrested too?
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« Reply #3931 on: March 27, 2014, 03:30:33 pm »

The Maidan started with peaceful protests too...
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« Reply #3932 on: March 27, 2014, 03:34:05 pm »

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I'd like to ask, the revolutionaries who were throwing around molotovs and those who inflicted harm to others, are they also not getting arrested too?
Ehm, don't tell me that you want to say that both sides broke the law equally...

Official position of Right Sector posted on their official site:
1) People are unhappy with actions of minister of interior affairs. Murder of Muzychko is the last straw
2) Not all people present on the meeting were from the Right Sector. Not even majority
3) Right Sector doesn't support any attempts to capture the parliament
4) Right Sector claims that it representatives actually calmed down people who are rightfully angry on Avakov's actions

There are no Government-Right Sector conflict. There are Right Sector-Avakov conflict.

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« Reply #3933 on: March 27, 2014, 05:59:15 pm »

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« Reply #3934 on: March 27, 2014, 07:24:08 pm »

Putin's new anthem? We ain't stoppin' now, we ain't going nowhere...
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« Reply #3935 on: March 27, 2014, 07:33:44 pm »

Putin's new anthem? We ain't stoppin' now, we ain't going nowhere...
I would prefer to hear someone sing this in Russia...

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« Reply #3936 on: March 27, 2014, 09:07:44 pm »

Oh god, what kind of Finnish flamewar debate has my comment sparked?
 
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« Reply #3937 on: March 28, 2014, 10:00:31 am »

Russian troops are STILL massing on the border. Ukraine is 100% in defense mode, I don't see why the Rissians would think Ukraine would attack them accross the border.
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« Reply #3938 on: March 28, 2014, 10:19:27 am »

Putin's new anthem? We ain't stoppin' now, we ain't going nowhere...
I would prefer to hear someone sing this in Russia...

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« Reply #3940 on: March 28, 2014, 01:54:04 pm »

That's very sweet, actually.
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« Reply #3941 on: March 29, 2014, 02:05:26 pm »

Anything new?
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« Reply #3942 on: March 29, 2014, 03:16:58 pm »

Anything new?
Not much happened, actually. Apparently there are diplomatic talks going on between Russia and the USA.
Also, according to Russia's RIA Novosti, Ukrainian acting President Turchinov went on a brief visit to Belarus (Russia's only close ally besides the Russian Army and the Russian Navy) and had talks with Belarusian President Lukashenko. The official statements noted that maintaining good relations between Belarus and Ukraine is extremely important, because Belarusians and Ukrainians have always had close historic ties, that Belarusians and Ukrainians shouldn't antagonize each other, and so on, and so forth.
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« Reply #3943 on: March 29, 2014, 03:48:05 pm »

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« Reply #3944 on: March 29, 2014, 04:08:14 pm »

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