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[Mictlantecuhtli]

That's about as close to democracy as you get in Russia, that's for sure. Fake ballots, dead people voting and over 100% turnout if you actually add up the people. Much democracy, very prestige.

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.

I'm not lecturing you, just saying your votes are rigged and entirely dependent on the will of your Kremlin.

[GlyphGryph]

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.

Yeah, just like the Maiden protests, right? When the people express their will the government can not stand against them! Power to the people!

(Unless, like in Syria, they are willing to start a war over it and a murder a good chunk of the country...)

On the other hand, unlike with Crimea, there's actually good evidence Trans-Dniestra actually wants to overwhelmingly join russia, so it really is a different case.

[cerapa]

And Estonia may be the next after Molvoda

Welp. Fuck.

Hoping for NATO support I suppose.

[Sean Mirrsen]

That's about as close to democracy as you get in Russia, that's for sure. Fake ballots, dead people voting and over 100% turnout if you actually add up the people. Much democracy, very prestige.

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.

I'm not lecturing you, just saying your votes are rigged and entirely dependent on the will of your Kremlin.

I'm not saying Cracked is in any way a trustworthy resource, but what makes you think it's any different anywhere else?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Look who wants to join Russia!

[Comrade P.]

That's about as close to democracy as you get in Russia, that's for sure. Fake ballots, dead people voting and over 100% turnout if you actually add up the people. Much democracy, very prestige.

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.

I'm not lecturing you, just saying your votes are rigged and entirely dependent on the will of your Kremlin.

Ye olde Soviet legacy.

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.

Yeah, just like the Maiden protests, right? When the people express their will the government can not stand against them! Power to the people!

(Unless, like in Syria, they are willing to start a war over it and a murder a good chunk of the country...)

On the other hand, unlike with Crimea, there's actually good evidence Trans-Dniestra actually wants to overwhelmingly join russia, so it really is a different case.

You know, before nationalists of Right Sector appeared on Maidan, it wasn't so bad. They were really starting like a peaceful demonstration, ask UR.
On the second point, about Crimea. Wat? You thought Crimea didn't want to join Russia before the shit messed up? There just was no way of doing so. When the central rule disappeared, thy used their chance.

[10ebbor10]

I'm not saying Cracked is in any way a trustworthy resource, but what makes you think it's any different anywhere else?

Long live European Democracy. Quite a few of the continental nations have decent systems going.

[Sheb]

Comrade P, someone posted polls from mid-2013 a bit earlier that showed only a minority supported joining Russia. (Although a large one).

[MonkeyHead]

You thought Crimea didn't want to join Russia before the shit messed up? There just was no way of doing so. When the central rule disappeared, thy used their chance.

Yeah, but it would have been nice for it to occur WITHOUT the Russian trrops and strutting of Putin - you know, if it had been 100% self determined and didnt look dodgy as fuck.

[Owlbread]

Well, generally, I think that Crimea just reminded people over the world (or at least former Soviet union and whatever russian-speaking countries) that the supreme law of democratic society is people's will expressed through referendum.

Sounds a bit arrogant. Sorry for that.

There is no difference between what Russia has done in Crimea and what the United Kingdom did in Northern Ireland. The same could be said of what the USA did in Hawaii, California, Texas and Oklahoma.

[smjjames]

Look who wants to join Russia!

Pfft, Hamas just wants the backing of a powerful government, I doubt the Palestinian people want Russia to be their overlords either.

As for Transinistria (or is that a different region?), Ukraine is kind of in the way. Moldova isn't in NATO, but its neighbor, Romania IS, along with being in the EU.

[Comrade P.]

Look who wants to join Russia!

O_O
Well, eh... okay?

Comrade P, someone posted polls from mid-2013 a bit earlier that showed only a minority supported joining Russia. (Although a large one).

You see, I cannot resist the fact, but my personal opinion stands. I think they were just not that serious about their separatism (pan-nationalism?) intentions and were more modest in their claims. Nevertheless, things are changing as the time passes, right?

[Frumple]

There is no difference between what Russia has done in Crimea and what the United Kingdom did in Northern Ireland. The same could be said of what the USA did in Hawaii, California, Texas and Oklahoma.

Yeah... it's kinda' painfully obvious that people's will this referendum wasn't. Or at least not even remotely an accurate representation of it. More than a bit of a shame, as has been noted.

[Owlbread]

There is no difference between what Russia has done in Crimea and what the United Kingdom did in Northern Ireland. The same could be said of what the USA did in Hawaii, California, Texas and Oklahoma.

Yeah... it's kinda' painfully obvious that people's will this referendum wasn't. Or at least not even remotely an accurate representation of it. More than a bit of a shame, as has been noted.

Even if it was the people's will, it's the will of the settlers who moved there during the colonisation of the territory, exploited by their motherland as political tools in landgrabs like the Crimean annexation.

I've been thinking. Apologies if I'm terribly wrong (I don't live in Russia so what do I know?) but it seems to me like the main reason people in Russia vote for United Russia and are happy with them being in government despite rampant corruption and disregard for human rights is that they have ensured that Russia is economically and socially stable. They are a slick, well oiled political machine with a vision of power and domination that appeals to the common Nationalist consciousness, plus there's a bit of demagoguery thrown in too with the anti-Western stuff.

If, however, that economic and social stability vanishes as a result of an economic collapse induced by Western sanctions, there is no reason for Russians to support Putin or United Russia. If the Russians came anywhere close to where they were in the 1990s the whole thing would come down like a house of cards.

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, it's not because the UK and USA have done it earlier that it's behavior that should be tolerated, or worse, promoted.