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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3090 on: March 19, 2014, 01:27:26 pm »

The condemnations are a usual Russian answer to any action West makes against them. It's not particularly unique to that event.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3091 on: March 19, 2014, 01:31:17 pm »

Anyway, something strange I've been noticing is that each and every image of the Pro-Russian Crimean supports I have seen in pretty much every Western new source, contains at least 1 USSR flag, Portret or Stalin or other reference to the USSR. You know, if I didn't know better you'd think the Communists are back for another round.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3092 on: March 19, 2014, 01:32:14 pm »

Well, they're throwing a hissy fit, so it's doing something :P

They started throwing a hussy fit and warning the west against sanctions the instant the word sanction was mentioned. They even warned against the warnings of sanctions.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3093 on: March 19, 2014, 01:48:54 pm »

So apparently the sanctions are working.
I like this.

It's actually somewhat amusing.
They invade a place, and say what we're doing is bad.

There's also the bit about calling the sanctions an act of aggression and will retaliate. Retaliate how? By attacking? It's like calling a bluff on something that everybody knows would be suicidal to even do and it's obvious that he is just posturing.

If Putin actually means what he said and is stupid enough to attack, well, lets just hope he isn't so suicidal as to launch nukes.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3094 on: March 19, 2014, 01:50:09 pm »

So apparently the sanctions are working.
I like this.

It's actually somewhat amusing.
They invade a place, and say what we're doing is bad.
Well, obviously. Imagine they'd approved of it.

"Yeah so we invaded this place, good job slapping us on the wrist for that. We kind of deserved it."

Doesn't work well with their rhetoric.

There's also the bit about calling the sanctions an act of aggression and will retaliate. Retaliate how? By attacking? It's like calling a bluff on something that everybody knows would be suicidal to even do and it's obvious that he is just posturing.

If Putin actually means what he said and is stupid enough to attack, well, lets just hope he isn't so suicidal as to launch nukes.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3095 on: March 19, 2014, 01:56:31 pm »

I don't really know how to say it, but seeing Putin go through such length to stay in power makes me happy. Seeing tyrants squirm always makes me happy.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3096 on: March 19, 2014, 02:04:13 pm »

Well, they could sanction back. Or be a pain in the US's ass on Iran or Syria or NK.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3097 on: March 19, 2014, 02:07:21 pm »

Or be a pain in the US's ass on Iran or Syria or NK.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt being a pain in the ass kind of Russias defualt role at the UN or on the security council with thier veto power?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3098 on: March 19, 2014, 02:09:13 pm »

Depend on what issue, on stuff like Palestinian sovereignty, it's usually the US that veto everything.

Anyway, Russia is actually cooperating (albeit reluctantly) with the US on a number of issues. They're not cartoons villain. There is also a big supply route to Afghanistan going through Russia, that will be sorely needed as the US need to bring all its hardware back.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3099 on: March 19, 2014, 02:19:37 pm »

So Moldova is next, apparently. An acquaintance of mine (I don't know him very well) is an ethnic Russian from Moldova. I remember when he was asked during the Euromaidan protests last year about whether Moldova could join the EU one day, he nodded to a Jewish Ukrainian woman to his left (another acquaintance) and said "It depends on them."
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3100 on: March 19, 2014, 02:31:46 pm »

Well, generally, I think that Crimea just reminded people over the world (or at least former Soviet union and whatever russian-speaking countries) that the supreme law of democratic society is people's will expressed through referendum.

Sounds a bit arrogant. Sorry for that.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3102 on: March 19, 2014, 02:33:14 pm »

That's about as close to democracy as you get in Russia, that's for sure. Fake ballots, dead people voting and over 100% turnout if you actually add up the people. Much democracy, very prestige.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3103 on: March 19, 2014, 02:38:01 pm »

That's about as close to democracy as you get in Russia, that's for sure. Fake ballots, dead people voting and over 100% turnout if you actually add up the people. Much democracy, very prestige.

I know how it is done here - I actually live here. Don't you lecture me. But still, when all the people express their will at once, no government can stop them. That is inspiring.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #3104 on: March 19, 2014, 02:39:35 pm »

I actually don't really mind Trans-Dniestra. That's less like an invasion and more like Russia diplo-annexing a vassal.

Anyway, no one object to the right to self-determination here, it's just the way things went in Ukraine.
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