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[GrizzlyAdamz]

There's lot of opposition to that, thanks to americans playing cowboys world police around the globe. The only one who can push Finland to NATO is the Democratically Elected President of Democratic Russia. He is doing good job at it, maybe we should give him some kind of award?

Ironically, one of the changes this whole thing might bring is that it has the potential to unite both the EU internally and the EU with the US, in times when these relationships were quite strained. Putin is indeed bringing peace and unity by turning back the clock 30 years. It was mentioned earlier in the thread, he is already nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

That's is. Putin is in fact the good guy and has been so all along! His only goal is to unite the globe into a peaceful coalition, like the UN were intended to be, but he knows that the only way to do so is to unite the world against an evil emperor. Since Best Korea is far from credible enough, and Crazy Iran failed despite his backup, Putin decided to martyr himself and pose as the Evil Emperor the free world need to unite against! [/1amsarcasm]

Seriously though, if the situation diplomatically escalate to CWII and the West manage a lasting, deeper unity, Putin deserves that peace nobel.
Or IgNobel at the very least.

Spoiler: Evil Empire uniforms (click to show/hide)

[Sheb]

Guys, can we try to keep the conversation serious and civil? It's hard enough for Avis & co to be in  such a minority, I'd hate not to have their input anymore. Remember, Avis is not Putin. Being an ass to him and driving him out of the thread is not going to save Crimea, it's just going to deprive us of a valuable viewpoints (although one you're entitled to disagree with).

[Sean Mirrsen]

Save Crimea from what? (note - "what", not "whom")

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Well, prices might have changed since then but when i was in the army, my sort of APC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_armored_engineering_vehicle) without gear cost ~20M USD (and that's cheap considering the vehicle is a modified one and not a brand new model), so that would have to be a really successful kickstarter.

When my friend lost all of his gear, he was trialed for ~7M USD. he was found guilty and had to pay a fine of ~100 USD.

Sorry, but $20 millions for an engineering vehicle based looks very doubtful

With Merkava IV tanks costing something like $6 millions per piece I highly doubt that conversation of an old tank into an engineering vehicle can cost three times more

And I want to hear more about $7 millions worth personal gear. That is some very high-tech stuff


But procurement of new equipment is not a small scale project.

Small scale projects could include stuff like: Repairing all APCs in some unit. Building new barracks for some soldiers. Procuring new small arms for some unit. Paying for the runninmg cost of some small-scale exercises
Stuff like that can be achieved with small relatively small budgets

[Knit tie]

What army was that, Burningpet? That's a very overpriced APC.

As for Avis and co., I'd like to remind you that they are as entitled to their opinion as we are to ours. Even assing they are wrong, that is no reason for contempt.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Relatives are watching some kind of statement/speech Putin is making somewhere, so I am listening to it by proxy. A highlight that caught my ear:

Crimea will always belong to both Russians, and Ukrainians, and Crimean Tatars. *interrupted by applause* But it will never belong to the Bandera.

(translation mine (funny how it's hard to find a translation for "бандеровцы" on the internet ), emphasis his, applause indeterminable)

I am fiercely indifferent to this whole affair, to be honest. Just observing.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I liked the "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities" from that statement

Thank you for announcing your long-term plans, mr Putin

[DJ]

I was talking stretch goals, not rewards. Like $1 000 000 000 000 - Ukrainian army will burn down Moscow.

[scrdest]

I was talking stretch goals, not rewards. Like $1 000 000 000 000 - Ukrainian army will burn down Moscow.

I know, but that was what sprung to my mind upon hearing it.

15 000 000 000$ - Ukrainian Army trains the world's first Space Marine regiments.

[da_nang]

So, a little over two years ago, the Ukraine security service stopped an assassination attempt on Putin. I wonder if they regret that now.

[ed boy]

PTW

[moondowner]

In my twitter timeline, there are some suggestions to dig a trench along the Eastern border and fill it with magma. Suddenly, now I feel as I might be useful to the cause.

[Sergarr]

In my twitter timeline, there are some suggestions to dig a trench along the Eastern border and fill it with magma. Suddenly, now I feel as I might be useful to the cause.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/17/uk-ukraine-crisis-east-idUKBREA2G1J820140317

[da_nang]

According to Reuters, a Ukrainian army base in Simferopol has been attacked. Russian soldiers are suspected.

[Mephansteras]

Interesting take on the geopolitical situation. Stratfor, so take that for what it is, but I always find their views on things at least though-provoking.