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[smjjames]

Lol on the soviet flag. Could just be one person and not actually mean anything in all this.

[Sheb]

Yeah, that's about as smart as calling the Maidan guys nazis because some of them had far-right symbols. Plus, as Avis' posts shows, the USSR is remembered differently in the West and the East. We remember the dictatorship, they remember the time where they had international standing and the country wasn't run by kleptocrats.

[olemars]

Can you give me a link? And are they reporting from Sevastopol or Kiev?

Simferopol, Sevastopol and various smaller towns.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/crimea-referendum-polls-open-live
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Folg-folkeavstemningen-pa-Krimhalvoya-7504725.html
https://twitter.com/dpeleschuk
https://twitter.com/pkaale
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=crimea+referendum

[scrdest]

Soviet flags aren't that uncommon, or for that matter worrying. 90% of the time it's 'In my times USSR, trees were taller and bread tasted better'.

[smjjames]

No imperialism here, move along folks.

Maybe I'm just too old, but seeing a bonefide soviet flag pop up after something like this doesn't look too pretty.

There are tons of international media there, it's from those I'm getting the pictures and interviews. There was even a norwegian livefeed from one of the voting locations.

Can you give me a link? And are they reporting from Sevastopol or Kiev?

CNN is reporting from Sevastopol, so there.

[Owlbread]

A bit like how the Native Americans watched white settlers quarreling and killing each-other en-masse in North America throughout the 19th century, drawing lines in the sand and dirt to mark their territory, the true Crimeans will watch the results of today with impotence and sadness.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Sorry, no idea where the 140% someone told me came from.

140% is from the last Russian parliamentary elections

When central election commission announced results by regions, in some regions sum of results of all parties was over 100%, in one case it was 140%.  Later the "technical error" was fixed

Spoiler: It looked like this (click to show/hide)

[XXSockXX]

I'm sorry guys, I haven't kept track of last 50 pages, and maybe this video from ZDF (Die Anstalt show) was already posted. If not, there it went.

The translation is rather bad. Judging by what I have understood, I want to say one thing.

[liberalmode]These people can't understand a damn thing. As we all know, and as the most truthful and democratic Western media say, the free people of Ukraine have peacefully overthrown the totalitarian dictator installed and backed by Russia, and they did that all by themselves, without any foreign support; there were no radical nationalists and neo-Nazis among them, everyone who says otherwise repeat Putin's propaganda.

Today, these satirists condemn the peaceful Ukrainian democratic revolution, and it's very likely that Russia paid them to do that. Tomorrow, they will praise Putin (who is basically the reincarnation of Hitler, or maybe even worse, the reincarnation of Stalin) invading the EU. The day after tomorrow, they will praise the return of Stasi![/liberalmode]

The translation is really very bad. Many references are difficult to translate, but still. BTW this is mostly a satire of reactions in the German press and in certain political camps, taking stabs at German politicians (especially Schröder and Steinmeier). It does not say that much about the general view on the Ukraine/Crimea situation, it rather presents some points to the extreme, while at the same time condemning the US, Russia, EU, Germany and the state of politics in general. I also didn't think it was very good or poignant.

Can you give me a link? And are they reporting from Sevastopol or Kiev?

Livestreams are over AFAIK, but there are plenty of correspondents in Crimea, especially in the capital, Simferopol.

[miljan]

A bit like how the Native Americans watched white settlers quarreling and killing each-other en-masse in North America throughout the 19th century, drawing lines in the sand and dirt to mark their territory, the true Crimeans will watch the results of today with impotence and sadness.

Who are true Crimeans? Is there another "faction" in Crimea?

[Owlbread]

Who are true Crimeans? Is there another "faction" there?

The Tatars whose ancestors have lived in Crimea for millennia.

[smjjames]

Sorry, no idea where the 140% someone told me came from.

140% is from the last Russian parliamentary elections

When central election commission announced results by regions, in some regions sum of results of all parties was over 100%, in one case it was 140%.  Later the "technical error" was fixed

Spoiler: It looked like this (click to show/hide)

Oh I see, sorry for the misunderstanding then.

A bit like how the Native Americans watched white settlers quarreling and killing each-other en-masse in North America throughout the 19th century, drawing lines in the sand and dirt to mark their territory, the true Crimeans will watch the results of today with impotence and sadness.

Who are true Crimeans? Is there another "faction" there?

I think Owlbread is referring to the Tatars, who are the origional Crimeans.

Edit: NINJA'D You guys post fast

[Mictlantecuhtli]

https://twitter.com/dpeleschuk

I can say I only trust direct-from reporters, like the twitter links you have. Most of these pages are reporting via proxy from Kiev, regurgitating the same 'breaking' information.

I did enjoy this, though:
https://twitter.com/dpeleschuk/status/445199246627995648/photo/1

[Ukrainian Ranger]

A bit like how the Native Americans watched white settlers quarreling and killing each-other en-masse in North America throughout the 19th century, drawing lines in the sand and dirt to mark their territory, the true Crimeans will watch the results of today with impotence and sadness.

Sad truth is that there are will be very few winners in Crimea, even among ethnic Russians.  When soldiers will move away back to their bases and the residents will be in the hands of new governors, Crimeans will  learn what unlimited corruption and rampant crime mean.

[XXSockXX]

Overall I'm not that surprised by the turnout, but it is still more than what I expected (around 80% pro-Russia). It doesn't matter anyway, even if this vote was a perfectly accurate representation of the will of the electorate, it would still be illegal.

What's the REAL purpose of the clear boxes then?

I read this was common practice in Ukraine. It is supposed to make the elections more transparent, though it conflicts with our ideas of a secret vote.

Maybe that's what CNN meant, to stay 100% as before.

Exactly, there was no "status quo" option, just "join Russia" or "get wide-reaching autonomy from Ukraine".

[mainiac]

That's bullshit. There was some really weird results in parts of Chechnya and the like but overall Putin was elected with 63% of the vote in relatively clean elections.

Yeah, Putin was elected in a "relatively clean election" in which he got more of the popular vote then any president in US history.  Nothing to see here, move along.

When you run without meaningful opposition because you rigged the elections and media, it's very easy to steal an election by a comfortable margin without needing to outright fabricate the results.  It's even possible to have a sizable plurality of people supporting you while you do it.  But it doesn't mean democracy took place.