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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2220 on: March 10, 2014, 02:07:14 am »

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2221 on: March 10, 2014, 02:24:55 am »

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2222 on: March 10, 2014, 02:43:51 am »

burningpet: You indeed have idiots everywhere, and politicians are really good at making them famous so they have something to grandstand against. However, I think the situation in Crimea may be a bit different. The Crimea Tatars may not give a fuck for Ukraine, but they remember 1944, and if the new Crimean government start doing stupid stuff himself, or if one of the countless militias than now seems to be in Crimea start shooting stuff, or even if some foreign jihadis decide to blow up Russians there to kickstart another front...

It could be bad. Inch'allah it won't, but it could.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2223 on: March 10, 2014, 03:23:46 am »

Not exactly subtle, but it gets their point across.

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2224 on: March 10, 2014, 03:53:36 am »

Nah, too subtle. Needs more demons, Hitler, and/or demon Hitler on the left.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2225 on: March 10, 2014, 03:55:03 am »

Nah, on the right. Ya know, just to hamfist the point home.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2226 on: March 10, 2014, 04:00:29 am »

Also, why are there those weird squares on the left? Are they implying they will be governed by neo-nazi lumberjacks?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2227 on: March 10, 2014, 04:02:38 am »

Also, according to BBC, Russian troops are currently digging in on the Perekop isthmus.
Ukrainians also claim that surveillance plane was shot at. Still currently all these militias are probably more to worry about than the military. They seem to be somewhat aggressive towards journalists and if another protest results in a streetfight and they do something stupid, things might escalate quickly.

German FM has announced that the EU will probably issue the next level of sanctions (account and visa stuff) if there is no progress in negotiations by tomorrow.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2228 on: March 10, 2014, 04:03:55 am »

I really doubt anything will happen before the referendum. It'll be much harder for the West to defend Ukraine is there is at least the appearance of democratic legitimacy.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2229 on: March 10, 2014, 04:05:14 am »

wait there is a difference between Tatars and Tartars? didn't know that...
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2230 on: March 10, 2014, 04:08:02 am »

I really doubt anything will happen before the referendum. It'll be much harder for the West to defend Ukraine is there is at least the appearance of democratic legitimacy.
There are rumours circulating on the Russian internet claiming that Ukrainian troops will probably assault Crimea in the upcoming days in order to prevent the 16 March referendum from taking place.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2231 on: March 10, 2014, 04:08:48 am »

Yeah, the referendum is on Sunday and it's very likely going to be a pro-Russia vote. I doubt Putin is going to move the troops out before that.
The question is, what comes after that.

wait there is a difference between Tatars and Tartars? didn't know that...
According to wikipedia Tartar is also an acceptable older spelling.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2232 on: March 10, 2014, 04:09:20 am »

I don't think they're true: Ukraine knows that it doesn't stand a chance in case of an open war. Maybe try to disrupt the vote in other ways, but probably no more.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2233 on: March 10, 2014, 04:14:49 am »

I don't think they're true: Ukraine knows that it doesn't stand a chance in case of an open war. Maybe try to disrupt the vote in other ways, but probably no more.
It's very likely that Western powers will support them if they launch an offensive, in information warfare at the very least.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #2234 on: March 10, 2014, 04:15:52 am »

Yeah, that and maybe intelligence, but nothing more.
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