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[GrizzlyAdamz]

Here, Boki was associated with pro-putin in my head from back here.

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[Ukrainian Ranger]

Boki, are you Serb?

[Knit tie]

Boki's right, Yugoslavia was way worse than Ukraine. Mictlan is also right, what Putin does is still not okay: even if ethnic russians welcome him, he is still just going for a powergrab and inadvertenly causing ethnic splitting in the region.

[boki]

Here, Boki was associated with pro-putin in my head from back here.

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I was just posting the facts about the situation. I mean, people are making this look 10 times worse than it is, and in that post i said its not that bad, because its not. Bad things did not yet happen, and lets hope they will not happen. When I say bad, I really mean very bad things.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

All I'm trying to say is that the Crimea/Yugoslav comparison falls short because the Crimean situation is still developing. We don't have full blown ethnic strife yet, which I argue would be next if we continue to allow provocation [or false flag provocation, in the case of those who simply want to watch this all burn] like this to continue. We'd all like to see this end peacefully, and 3rd parties meddling within already strained ethnic regions is known to heighten those tensions.

[mainiac]

Boki's right, Yugoslavia was way worse than Ukraine. Mictlan is also right, what Putin does is still not okay

While what Putin is doing is still a problem this is ignoring the fact that Mictlan is arguing with things that Boki never said nor insinuated nor appears to agree with.

All I'm trying to say is that the Crimea/Yugoslav comparison falls short because the Crimean situation is still developing.

That's all very nice but it's completely different from what he was saying!

This isn't a pro-Putin anti-Putin argument, it's a pro-reading comprehension anti-reading argument.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Revise why, because something that had happen 50 years ago can happen again? The fact is the thing now that are happening in ukraine is nothing close to things in yugoslavia. Trust me if you think marker on doors, and possibility moving people to some other parts are bad, you dont know anything about shit that happend in ex yu. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

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[XXSockXX]

Here, Boki was associated with pro-putin in my head from back here.

That is not a pro-Putin position necessarily, it's not a Western one either, and not one I agree with, but not really defending Putin.

Yugoslavia was worse because the fucking situation continued as it did, if we ignore Crimea and allow factionalization and ethnic strife to continue to boil below the surface it will be akin to that situation.

Yugoslavia was an entirely different situation. Ethnic strife might happen in Crimea or it might not, that is conjecture at this point. We don't know at all what is going on with Crimea at this point, there are plenty of possibilities.
Just because Putin is wrong doesn't mean we should prematurely accuse him of something that might never happen. That just devalues any serious arguments that are to be had. Currently the problem is not ethnic cleansing, but blatantly ignoring Ukraine's sovereignty and possibly provoking an armed conflict.
And yeah, you need to read a bit more carefully, you pretty much accused boki of saying the opposite of what he actually said. There's no problem with disagreeing, but there is really no need to take it over the top.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

There's been reports of X's on Jewish synagogues and Crimean Tatar houses, so I don't think it's unfounded to fear ethnic strife in the future if things don't settle down in Crimea. Putin is trying to stir up such strife.

[Guardian G.I.]

Putin is trying to stir up such strife.

And why does he try to to do that? If Crimean Tatars get killed by Russians, it'll ruin the excuse of Russian civilians being under threat. Unless Putin is going out of his way to be !ЁVIL!, there's absolute no reason for him to create ethnic strife on purpose.
Judging by your previous posts in this thread, you seem to think that Putin's actions in Crimea are motivated by one single goal - kill all the Crimean Tatars, Jews and other minorities, like he's a comic book villain. He's not one. He is trying to secure the strategic Sevastopol naval base, and not kill some people because he had a bad day.

[scriver]

Do you remember why Russia genocided the Tartars and the other Black Sea peoples the other times they did so, Guardian?

[XXSockXX]

Yeah, I guess there is a possibility of ethnic conflict and the current unstable situation does not help with that. I can see how maybe some Russian nationalists might be encouraged to do something stupid, as they feel very safe now.
I don't see however how that would be in Putin's interest. If he wants to be the one to bring order to the region, and that is how he portrays himself, then that would be extremely counterproductive. His narrative is basically that he saves people from a fascist invasion. If he wants to annex Crimea, he will very much prefer to do that without bloodshed.
He already has a lot of diplomatic trouble with Crimea as it is, since the West won't accept the referendum on the basis that it's blackmail. Ethnic cleansing is the last thing he needs right now, it would be even worse for him than a conflict with the Ukrainian army (which also would be very unpopular), because it destroys his entire justification for the current army presence.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

The Xs don't seem to be wide-spread, and the men doing the tagging were only ever described as '(truncheon-wielding) russian-speaking crimeans'. Only from a couple sources as well.

Doesn't sound orchestrated/related.

[GlyphGryph]

I am worried that the whole situation is inflaming and strengthening both the Russian and Ukrainian fascist brands though.

[Knit tie]

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Goddammit mainiac, I am trying to defuse a conflict here. /joke


Regarding the ethnic cleansing or just any violence towards civilians in general, I say that Putin's approval is not really needed for that kind of thing to occur. I am currently sitting in Russia, and the social media is abuzz with nationalistic and anti-ukrainian sentiments. Most of the people talking about the invasion seem to think that Putin's actions are either perfectly right or disproportionate but well-justified. The hurt national pride I mentioned earlier comes into play as well and introduces anti-maidan bias, since getting Crimea annexed would leave Russia much more "respected", to quote the most often used word in pro-Putin arguments. So far, a lot of Russians think that they genuinely are protecting their brethren from extremist depredations, and this sort of thinking can and has often lead to ethnic tensions and violence towards civilians. If the standoff continues, it is not unreasonable to assume that we will eventually see roving bands of vigilantes in Crimea "preemptively" lynching the Tatar and the ukrainians.