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[boki]

Putin is using justifications eerily similar to the ones Milosevic used.

Dude, dont talk about something about you dont know much.

Unlike putin, people in ex yu where under danger. That is a big difference, especially as the separation was even worse than what russia is doing now.

[DJ]

Well, I still live here, so I'd say I know a thing or two.

[XXSockXX]

IMO, only full embargo on gas and oil or direct NATO military involvement  can stop him. Both are impossible

Actually, while a full gas and oil embargo is unlikely (Europe depends on it and even bought gas and oil from Russia during the Cold War), it is not impossible.
There are actually debates in the US to at least temporarily start exporting gas and oil (currently they don't do that a lot because they try to become independent energy-wise), to compensate for the European energy problems in case of a full embargo.
So, while unlikely, it's not impossible, and as a measure of last resort it might happen, if things get really bad.

[boki]

Well, I still live here, so I'd say I know a thing or two.

Same as me.I survived two wars, lost two homes, and very well know what is what.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I love the bulletin for the referendum. It looks like that:

[] Do you want to join Russia?
[] Or you want to restore 1992 Crimean constitution ?

There are no "change nothing" option. Cool, isn't it?

[boki]

I love the bulletin for the referendum. It looks like that:

[] Do you want to join Russia?
[] Or you want to restore 1992 Crimean constitution ?

There are no "change nothing" option. Cool, isn't it?

Lol. From what source did you get that info?

[Knit tie]

I love the bulletin for the referendum. It looks like that:

[] Do you want to join Russia?
[] Or you want to restore 1992 Crimean constitution ?

There are no "change nothing" option. Cool, isn't it?

Standard russian practice, natch. Works the same way during our elections.

[Owlbread]

Russian sources, as well as some left-wing Western sources (Boris Malagurski and his film Weight of Chains is a good example) claim that the main Western goal in Yugoslavia was to tear it into several small, easily controllable colonies that would provide cheap labour and be a market for Western goods. They also claim that the Western policy towards Eastern European countries and the former USSR is basically the same - transforming independent countries into colonies. Judging by how the main export of Poland, the Baltic states and other former socialist countries is practically only cheap labour (the famous Polish plumbers come to mind), they are not entirely wrong.

It always amuses me when Russian sources or sources from Russian satellites/puppet states like Belarus say these things. It's almost as if the Warsaw Pact never existed and Russia has always been that big.

[XXSockXX]

I love the bulletin for the referendum. It looks like that:

[] Do you want to join Russia?
[] Or you want to restore 1992 Crimean constitution ?

There are no "change nothing" option. Cool, isn't it?

Lol. From what source did you get that info?

rt.com says so.

There will be two questions on the Crimean referendum ballots.

“The first one: Are you in favor of Crimea becoming a constituent territory of the Russian Federation. The second one: Are you in favor of restoring Crimea’s 1992 constitution,” the autonomous region’s First Deputy-Premier Rustam Temirgaliev said.

According to the 1992 constitution, the autonomous republic is part of Ukraine but has relations with Kiev, defined on the basis of mutual agreements.

Not sure how exactly that last part differs from the current constitution, I presume it does in some way.

There are of course also satirical versions circulating with: Do you want to a) join Russia or b) leave Ukraine?

[GlyphGryph]

Under the 1992 constitution, I don't believe Ukraine could actually have a say in how Crimea was run? It was "technically" part of Ukraine, but no more? It was more of a "we are both equal parts of the same country, but we stick to our own affairs" instead of "we are part of a larger country that has limited powers over us" which is the current situation, as I understand it.

[boki]

I love the bulletin for the referendum. It looks like that:

[] Do you want to join Russia?
[] Or you want to restore 1992 Crimean constitution ?

There are no "change nothing" option. Cool, isn't it?

Lol. From what source did you get that info?

rt.com says so.

There will be two questions on the Crimean referendum ballots.

“The first one: Are you in favor of Crimea becoming a constituent territory of the Russian Federation. The second one: Are you in favor of restoring Crimea’s 1992 constitution,” the autonomous region’s First Deputy-Premier Rustam Temirgaliev said.

According to the 1992 constitution, the autonomous republic is part of Ukraine but has relations with Kiev, defined on the basis of mutual agreements.

Not sure how exactly that last part differs from the current constitution, I presume it does in some way.

There are of course also satirical versions circulating with: Do you want to a) join Russia or b) leave Ukraine?

But, wait, if its 1992 constitution it will be part of ukraine?

[Owlbread]

Damn, I wish we Scots were going to get a ballot paper as unbalanced as that.

A: "Do you want to become independent?"
B: "Do you want to leave the UK?"

[Mipe]

Damn, I wish we Scots were going to get a ballot paper as unbalanced as that.

A: "Do you want to become independent?"
B: "Do you want to leave the UK?"

In either case, I doubt you'd get away scot free.

 

On a more serious note, my understanding is that Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow for separation of a province? Isn't that kind of, you know, authoritarian?

"Oh, we should add this so nobody can ever break away legally!"

[XXSockXX]

But, wait, if its 1992 constitution it will be part of ukraine?

Yes.
It's probably like GlyphGryph said, they would be far more autonomous than now. Wikipedia doesn't have many details on the Crimean constitution, but that is what it looks like to me.

[GlyphGryph]

Damn, I wish we Scots were going to get a ballot paper as unbalanced as that.

A: "Do you want to become independent?"
B: "Do you want to leave the UK?"

Actually, this is basically a "Independence or Devolution, which do prefer?" ballot.