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[GreatJustice]

Well, yeah, like some of us have been saying, this is to Russify Crimea, not free it. They will be killing, deporting, and suppressing anyone that will not adhere to the Putin plan for democracy^tm.

[sarcasm]Wow, a man from russian government revealed himself and all our plans[/sarcasm]
You sound like a man concerned that there is a totally white side and totally black. And you put Russia to the black one. Ethnical and political leansings are serious accusations.

Didn't you get the memo? Putin is literally Hitler and Russia is modern Nazi Germany. If NATO forces don't immediately intervene, Putin will absorb all of Ukraine, call up Lukashenko, invade Poland, and start WW3. China, Iran, and North Korea will also make appearances as supporting characters in the Axis of Evil.

[Max White]

I'll just have to remember your stances on illegally occupying and removing governments next time something like this happens. Not trying to spread 'vitriol'; I'm saying this is highly illegal and will likely lead to terrible repercussions for non-Putin-adorers of Crimea. There's a bit of a precedent for that, mate.

You say that but then Israel has been occupying more and more land and hardly gets a slap on the wrist... Yea there is a precedent, and not a very good one.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm pretty sure I've regularly stated my disdain for the Israeli occupation. Not like I'm coming out of left field randomly to decry big bad Russia, I don't think that we should allow people to militarily force a people's hand.

[Max White]

Everybody with common sense is against the Israeli occupation, but then again everybody with common sense is against the Russian occupation too... My concern is that if we aren't going to stand up to Israel, Russia is certainly off the table.

[10ebbor10]

I think you'd be surprised at the support the Israeli has, including occupation. I mean, they even got away with their own nuclear weapon program.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2014/Mar-02/249002-germany-warns-against-russia-exclusion-from-g8.ashx

Oh, great, why I am not surprised that Germany supports Russia once again? It may be not a direct support but that is definitely undermining American efforts to isolate Russia

[Sergarr]

But if you try to say something about the Israel warmongering, you'll get called a nazi, I guess?

[nenjin]

If this thread is a microcosm of people's ability to solve problems, Ukraine is in serious trouble.

[burningpet]

Deflections aside (which btw, were pretty stupidly hilarious) I agree the settlements should be stopped, but narrowing israel and the whole situation in the middle east (they cant be separated) to such a limited narrow view is even more dangerous.

Sergarr, we also call ourselves nazis all the time so don't feel special. the religious called Rabin a nazi when he made peace, the right wing calls the left nazis when they say the settlers should be evacuated back to israel, the left calls the army nazis and so on.

UR - according to stephen cohen, leaked conversations of europeans and americans suggested that merkel wanted vitali klitschko on the new government. maybe she was a bit disappointed seeing the biggest advocator for the European deal not in the new government.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/178511/stephen-cohen-western-recklessness-could-spark-new-cold-war-divide-ukraine - fair warning, its in audio, its pretty long and the bits toward the end are bit bizzare.

Knit tie: i agree. what?

[Knit tie]

Israel is good because how can you say that victims of a genocide can be bad? That's horribly insensitive.


In other news, veterans of the Afghanistan war in Ukranine have organised an unarmed peacekeeping force that is supposed to literally interject itself between the russians and the ukrainians should the fighting start.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

wut

[Dutchling]

What. Are those people drunk.

Unarmed peacekeeping?

[MonkeyHead]

Literally, putting thier bodies on the line if/when the bullets start flying.

[Dutchling]

Heh. The UN should try that some time. Just to see how it goes.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

My impression was they might as well be- are never authorized to use force.