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[kaian-a-coel]

It starts to feel like a Paradox game all over again.

I think it's the right time to announce Hearts of Iron, number whatever. Or a cold war equivalent. Or Victoria 3 for that matters.

Do you think that "contest casus belli validity" would be a viable mechanic?

(not a serious post)

[Sergarr]

America invading place is bad. Russia invading place is bad too.

+1

+2 Place can secede by itself if it wants to, or stay in Ukraine if it doesn't.

+3 invasions are bad as a matter of fact, not because of subjective factors.

Also, the name for that game would be Victorious Hearts of Europe. (joking)

[Knit tie]

I suggest "Iron Hearts: European Storm: Red Rise Once More".

[Sergarr]

Knit, you obviously didn't notice the really obvious Paradox pun

[Knit tie]

Knit, you obviously didn't notice the really obvious Paradox pun

What paradox are you talking about?

[Sonlirain]

So... if ukraine is gtting dissected does that mean Poland can get Lviv back now before russians nab it?
Seriously things there are everything but funny and Russia is just fucking with everyone.
Oh and lol at Ukraine agreeing to give away their nukes in exchange for a deal with russia concerning the "unchangeability" of their borders.
Looks like russia upheld their part of teh deal for a whole 10 years!

[Knit tie]

News, everyone!

According to the russian and other eastern-european sources, the government of Ukraine has done two things: readying their army and asking NATO to consider helping them ensure the "territorial sovereignity" of their country. No open hostility or condemnation has so far taken place between ukraine and russia.


In the meantine, crimeans are taking selfies with russian soldiers.

[Sergarr]

So, if we apply the paradox mechanics to this situation, how many badboy points would Russia get for these actions?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Looks like russia upheld their part of teh deal for a whole 10 years!

Twenty That changes everything, right?


And , remembering my Paradox tricks.... 
I know what Ukraine should do with Crimea NOW  - Give it to Turkey.... THEN Russians will learn how real problems with language and forced assimilation look like.
 
Interesting how much Turkey is ready to pay for Crimea? It could fix some Ukrainian economic problems...

[Chaoswizkid]

I think it's the right time to announce Hearts of Iron, number whatever. Or a cold war equivalent.

East vs. West is due to release this year (or at least open beta in March, so probably release this year). It comes after HoI chronologically.

American wars are questionable, but remind me... when the last time USA tried to get a new state?

When they tried to install a puppet government in Iraq that would essentially let them exploit the resources of that country without providing any of the benefits that being a part of the US entails. It's pretty much like a colony.

No, historically the US has used subterfuge to encourage a civil war or coup to place Western-friendly dictators in power (instead of a democracy because the democracy would install non-Western-friendly leaders and the areas are too culturally/religiously/etc. diverse so greater central power is necessary to maintain control). The invasion of Iraq was to remove the guy we put in there, put in an actual democracy, and mostly to remove a potential threat to Israel.
There's nothing we really care about in the Middle East anymore. Resources? What, oil? We currently make more than we use, and we were pretty sure we could pull that off in the early 2000s anyway. Sure, we could pad on our geopolitical control of oil to further undermine OPEC, but that's a hassle that the American public are really not fond of.
So no, it wasn't about reaping the benefits of the resources like a colony, it was to remove a power that was hostile to Israel under the guise of stopping a mass-murderer who potentially had access to WMDs.

Also, we're really hesitant to pull the subterfuge-install trick any more, because now a lot of people know we did it in the mid-late 1900's and we caused waaaaaayyyy more problems than we supposedly fixed.

[Knit tie]

I think it's the right time to announce Hearts of Iron, number whatever. Or a cold war equivalent.

East vs. West is due to release this year (or at least open beta in March, so probably release this year). It comes after HoI chronologically.

American wars are questionable, but remind me... when the last time USA tried to get a new state?

When they tried to install a puppet government in Iraq that would essentially let them exploit the resources of that country without providing any of the benefits that being a part of the US entails. It's pretty much like a colony.

No, historically the US has used subterfuge to encourage a civil war or coup to place Western-friendly dictators in power (instead of a democracy because the democracy would install non-Western-friendly leaders and the areas are too culturally/religiously/etc. diverse so greater central power is necessary to maintain control). The invasion of Iraq was to remove the guy we put in there, put in an actual democracy, and mostly to remove a potential threat to Israel.
There's nothing we really care about in the Middle East anymore. Resources? What, oil? We currently make more than we use, and we were pretty sure we could pull that off in the early 2000s anyway. Sure, we could pad on our geopolitical control of oil to further undermine OPEC, but that's a hassle that the American public are really not fond of.
So no, it wasn't about reaping the benefits of the resources like a colony, it was to remove a power that was hostile to Israel under the guise of stopping a mass-murderer who potentially had access to WMDs.

Also, we're really hesitant to pull the subterfuge-install trick any more, because now a lot of people know we did it in the mid-late 1900's and we caused waaaaaayyyy more problems than we supposedly fixed.

Sorry. I am not very good with american history/politics.


In other news, the absolute majority of russians, it appears, thinks that Putin has completely lost his shit. The support for war comes mainly from governmental sock-puppets and rabid nationalists, the general public is as supportive of this intervention as the americans wer supportive of Vietnam war.

Poor soldiers, may God have mercy on their souls.

[Guardian G.I.]

In other news, the absolute majority of russians, it appears, thinks that Putin has completely lost his shit. The support for war comes mainly from governmental sock-puppets and rabid nationalists, the general public is as supportive of this intervention as the americans wer supportive of Vietnam war.

Poor soldiers, may God have mercy on their souls.

Can you provide the source, please?

[Knit tie]

Can you provide the source, please?

Pretty much every news source has articles about it, but they are in russian. The most reliable ones are Dozhd' and Echo of Moscow.

[nenjin]

As people have said, America supports US-friendly leaders and helps engineer revolts. The goal is friendly nations for the US military to stage from, access to resources and/or "most favored nation" trading arrangements, reconstruction contracts to US businesses, economic development with US businesses.....basically, America had the benefit of watching other Imperial/Colonial empires and realizing....you don't need territorial control of a place to profit from it. You just need to be able to join its economy in some way to the American economy (usually of the military-industrial-resource complex) and agree to side with us on most things we consider important. We want the benefits of a relationship with a country without the responsibility for the consequences of our involvement. It wouldn't be a nefarious policy is we weren't willing to send weapons, money and training to others. It's where we cross the line between foreign relations and foreign policy.

[Guardian G.I.]

Can you provide the source, please?

Pretty much every news source has articles about it, but they are in russian. The most reliable ones are Dozhd' (Дождь) and Echo of Moscow (Эхо Москвы).

Dozhd and Ekho Moskvy are staunchly liberal and pro-Western sources and don't provide unbiased information (just like the Russian state media, btw - they're both extremely biased, only their ideologies are different).