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[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Inu_-0dcSU&feature=player_embedded

EU not gonna like that. I wonder how soon the right sector will be in the list of international terrorist organizations....

 

[Sergarr]

I hope it's fake. If it isn't, well, then they have basically just become commies.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

It is not fake. 100%.

[GlyphGryph]

So, the agreement is actually better than I would have thought - It actually sets the presidential election to occur in September, not December - the December thing is a fallback, where in case the agreement is not followed, the elections will occur then anyway.

This fucking Yanukovych guy, though. If he would just step the fuck down, this seems like an agreement that everyone could actually get behind - but they're keeping him in power? Hah hah, no matter how good the agreement is, do they actually expect anyone to take it seriously when it leaves the guy everyone rightly blames for pretty much everything that has gone wrong in charge of the government?

The complete and utter stupidity on display here is mind-boggling... seriously, they've hammered out a great agreement here, people have died to see this happen... and they're pissing it away to appeal to one assholes ego? Seriously?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Nevermind, misread)

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, let's not forget that there's a not insignificant chance that Yanukovych will win the next presidential elections.

[XXSockXX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Inu_-0dcSU&feature=player_embedded

EU not gonna like that. I wonder how soon the right sector will be in the list of international terrorist organizations....

Well, whether they're seen as a terrorist organization will depend on their actions. It is very clear though that with messages like this the EU will be rather estranged. Paramilitary troops showing black suns and celtic crosses are pretty much the last thing most people here like to see.

Anyway, let's not forget that there's a not insignificant chance that Yanukovych will win the next presidential elections.

Not so sure about this. The most important thing for now is the step away from a dictatorial presidential system to a more parliamentary one.

It is a compromise both sides are not going to be happy with, but in the end politics is always dirty business and compromise.
I hope they can keep the peace.

Apparently parliament is preparing the release of Julia Tymoshenko, and they are forcing the Minister of the Interior to step down.

[MarcAFK]

Then there'll be a third uprising against him, and more blood on the streets, how could anyone vote for him again after this?
While I'm sure there will be those people who would think its is a sign of weakness against the nationalists to give in and not reelect him, so basically Yanukovych is the lynchpin around which the possibility of civil war depends, and yet he persists in staying in power despite the damage being done around him, is this selfishness and lack of compassion for the suffering around him or as might be argued by his supporters 'strength against adversity'? I just question how he could continue on as if nothing has happened, and how long it is before the more radical elements against him choose to act on the evidence that things aren't going to change at all.
Just my opinion, BTW I was horrified but totally not surprised to see those videos of lightly armed rioters being shot down mercilessly while posing no threat to anyone.

[Kicior]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Inu_-0dcSU&feature=player_embedded

1:20
Totalitarian liberalism?

[Sergarr]

posing no threat to anyone.

Molotovs are a definite threat.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Totalitarian liberalism?

That means pseudo-liberalism. Totalitarism that uses liberalism rhetorics.  Not that nationalists like true liberalism much.

Right Sector is a very very weird mix and I am far from having a fixed opinion on them, so don't ask

[Owlbread]

Totalitarian liberalism?

That means pseudo-liberalism. Totalitarism that uses liberalism rhetorics.  Not that nationalists like true liberalism much.

Right Sector is a very very weird mix and I am far from having a fixed opinion on them, so don't ask

The kind of "liberalism" certain Russian people/people in Russia's sphere of influence refer to when they try to justify Putin's own authoritarian regime. 'Well, look at Yeltsin. He was a liberal, look where that got us! We're much better off with a "managed democracy".'

[Ukrainian Ranger]

The kind of "liberalism" certain Russian people/people in Russia's sphere of influence refer to when they try to justify Putin's own authoritarian regime. 'Well, look at Yeltsin. He was a liberal, look where that got us! We're much better off with a "managed democracy".'

Yeah, that mostly means our current "liberal" opposition who got what they wanted - changed the laws to get Tymoshenko free! As if people died for that

I am pissed how our opposition acts like "saviors of the nation" as if there were not in the political system for the last 20 years, as if they don't share moral responsibility that country is on brink of civil war and total collapse

Right Sector may be dangerous, but it has zero persons who had any considerable political power in the past

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Why I think that the whole deal will not do anything good and not fix the country:

a) Because it doesn't solve the main problem of Ukraine: badly corrupt justice system. That is what need to be fixed. When justice system is working, the worst a politician  can be - incompetent. Criminal will go in jail even if he is president. If system is as corrupt as it is, non-criminal can't compete in politics. Frauded elections, new laws contradicting constitution, unlawful way to adopt new laws, imprisonment or murder of political opponent, everything is possible for one willing to use such methods
I can agree on any parliament or president as long as justice system fixed. Even if it will be a commie
 
b) Because I fully expect some form of cheating From Yanukovitch.
Maybe it will be armed Titushkas to cause mayhem and then say "Hey, you see what happened after we pulled Berkut out?" Maybe few building in Eastern Ukraine will be blown up and opposition blamed as terrorists, maybe something more crafty... That pig WILL cheat to stay in power

[10ebbor10]

Well, there were some justice reforms planned as part of the Association treaty. Don't believe those were executed though.