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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #345 on: February 18, 2014, 05:55:05 pm »

Why would they open the top hatch when they knew it was going to be molotov'ed?
Well, I think guys who use an APC in a city full of guys armed with molotovs are idiots so wouldn't be that surprised if hatch was open, especially considering how uncomfortable and badly ventilated Soviet APCs are

I repeat they said that they need 40 minutes to clear the square. They never expected resistance of that scale. It's like Russian army  that promised to liberate Grozny in 24 hours back in 1994
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #346 on: February 18, 2014, 05:58:42 pm »

Still watching. I'm getting all kind of reports from Twitter, House of Trade Union is burning among other things. Tonight wil be a long night in Kiev.
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« Reply #347 on: February 18, 2014, 06:00:25 pm »

Got some unconfirmed report that Turchynov was injured on stage.
Yes, apparently he was shot with some kind of bullet.
Also the guy they escorted away earlier was indeed riot police according to this.

One Kiev Post journalist also claims that live ammo is used.

There is also a Reuters stream, though from farther away.
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« Reply #348 on: February 18, 2014, 06:08:35 pm »

Got some unconfirmed report that Turchynov was injured on stage.
AFAIK Just a minor facial wound from a piece of shrapnel
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #349 on: February 18, 2014, 06:11:31 pm »

I will be watching this and urging others on the subject as much as I did the Libyan revolution! It won't be as neat a clear but I will try to get Americans to see it is important!
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« Reply #350 on: February 18, 2014, 06:13:42 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is-bxoDRkoY

Another place to watch the burning APC video

One  more video with the same APC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMUxGkBlf0

I'd say they are lucky that they managed to retreat fast
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« Reply #351 on: February 18, 2014, 07:23:13 pm »

It's been an hour. You OK?
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« Reply #352 on: February 18, 2014, 07:59:37 pm »

It's been an hour. You OK?
Me? I am in safety. Never hated being in wheelchair so much as now. Else I would be in a hotter place. I am not OK, I am nervous as hell. I am emotionally exhausted , can't think straight and can't  sleep.

My estimates that we'll have 200+ killed tonight... Some of them may be my friends or relatives.
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« Reply #353 on: February 18, 2014, 08:19:19 pm »

UR, where are you, anyway?
Also, what can non-Ukrainians do to support the opposition? I'll write to my MdB (parliament representative) in the morning, but I doubt he'll react.
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« Reply #354 on: February 18, 2014, 08:45:49 pm »

UR, where are you, anyway?
Also, what can non-Ukrainians do to support the opposition? I'll write to my MdB (parliament representative) in the morning, but I doubt he'll react.
I am living in a rural area in central Ukraine, not far from the epicenter but no one cares about that place

I think there are few things that can be done especially now. Oh. I know. If you meet some Ukrainians tell them to go home to help the revolution...

IMO That is the stage when people need weapons, supplies and more fighters. Other forms of support are not effective
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« Reply #355 on: February 19, 2014, 01:23:34 am »

hey, ur

is there anything to be said about the western and central regions where presidential appointees were kicked out?

it's been something twenty days now, the government must have reacted somehow
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« Reply #356 on: February 19, 2014, 02:04:19 am »

hey, ur

is there anything to be said about the western and central regions where presidential appointees were kicked out?

it's been something twenty days now, the government must have reacted somehow
All that buildings were given back to the government back as a part of negotiations....

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« Reply #357 on: February 19, 2014, 04:21:14 am »

So, Minister of Defense  ordered to rebase a separate airmobile brigade to Kiyv (~500 men strength), Official reason for that is to "defend arsenals"

Update: two airmobile brigades
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« Reply #358 on: February 19, 2014, 07:30:02 am »

Didn't the military want to keep out?
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« Reply #359 on: February 19, 2014, 07:40:03 am »

Things change...

Officially they just increase security of weapon stashes but it is ridiculous to use airmobile units for that
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