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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #330 on: February 18, 2014, 04:30:31 pm »

Apparently Klitschko is going to meet Yanukovych right now instead of tomorrow.

6 dead police is indeed the official number. Also hundreds injured, though the numbers for the protesters probably aren't accurate.

What you can't see in the stream is that the police has cleared a part of Maidan (I guess the part behind the fire), but they haven't gotten to the center where the main stage is.

Also Poland is urging for sanctions now, so far EU politicians had only threatend more or less symbolic sanctions against individuals.
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« Reply #331 on: February 18, 2014, 04:33:16 pm »

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Wikipedia says that the police of Rivne Oblast defected, so it's not a unanimous thing.
Nope, they just choose to retreat  from a local governmental building few weeks ago without a fight. And those were not Berkut or internal forces but regular guys who are not trained to deal with mobs at all

Right now in Rivne local base of Berkut is under attack, it is rather hot there, not like in Kiyv but still

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Police says 6 of policemen were shoot.
It's not like Ukrainians are unarmed lambs...
But I wouldn't count out that this is a fairytale
Also, I wouldn't count out the possibility that they were shoot by other police. For example for trying to switch sides.  Or for old grudges, why not if protesters can be blamed?
Finally there are so many factions in Ukraine, including intelligence services of various countries.....
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #332 on: February 18, 2014, 05:10:46 pm »

Police just marched in, things looks serious.
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« Reply #333 on: February 18, 2014, 05:13:19 pm »

Yeah, they kinda got pushed off though, just saw a policeman got captured.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #334 on: February 18, 2014, 05:14:41 pm »

Yeah, looks like things calmed down again. I saw someone get escorted away but couldn't make out who it was.
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« Reply #335 on: February 18, 2014, 05:18:09 pm »

Yeah, looks like things calmed down again. I saw someone get escorted away but couldn't make out who it was.
It was a police guy afaik, at least, looking at his clothes. Some guys were beating on him while he was carried away. Might be some other guy though.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #336 on: February 18, 2014, 05:23:57 pm »

I've written to my foreign minister asking him to support Poland's call for sanctions. You guys from other Eurotrash countries should do likewise.

I hope all the people you know on Maidan are safe Ranger.

Still watching the live feed. Lots of Svodoba flags there, but the police seems to be managing quite well without real ammo. Anyway, I can't see the APC video (it's apparently private). Is it a real APC, or one of those water-cannon thingy?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #337 on: February 18, 2014, 05:27:58 pm »

On one hand, it had a bunch of wheels, armor, and a turret. On the other hand, it was destroyed by a bunch of Molotovs. So the jury's out.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #338 on: February 18, 2014, 05:28:58 pm »

Police promised to clear the square for 40 minutes. It's four hours now. Not as easy as they expected

I am still pessimistic, don't think that the guys will hold long enough... That will not stop anything on the global scale, they will get retaliation in the coming dats. So many will be dead, injured and captured.... it hurts to think about it

Back to the APC, I think it was a BTR-70 but not 100% sure
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #339 on: February 18, 2014, 05:31:37 pm »

Yep, video went private.
You might have some luck watching BBC live coverage. They lack any actual livestream, but they do slowly update their "recorder earlier" material. Some seconds of that APC burning video was already there, but not the actual burning. It did seem like an APC...but then again I don't know how their water-cannon vehicle looks like.
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« Reply #340 on: February 18, 2014, 05:33:30 pm »

Anyway, I can't see the APC video (it's apparently private).
This one isn't private.

According to Reuters police is trying again. Before, there were rumors they had abandoned the effort.

There are journalists in a higher floor of a hotel at Maidan, where I guess also one of the cameras is located. The correspondent in German TV seemed pretty sure the protesters would continue to resist, which is also what it looks like for me in the stream.
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« Reply #341 on: February 18, 2014, 05:34:35 pm »

Back to the APC, I think it was a BTR-70 but not 100% sure
Sure looked like it. It might have had top hatch open, or maybe I was just seeing things.
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« Reply #342 on: February 18, 2014, 05:38:08 pm »

Why would they open the top hatch when they knew it was going to be molotov'ed?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #343 on: February 18, 2014, 05:46:58 pm »

Why would they open the top hatch when they knew it was going to be molotov'ed?

Too much beans?
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« Reply #344 on: February 18, 2014, 05:49:45 pm »

Got some unconfirmed report that Turchynov was injured on stage.
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