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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #210 on: February 01, 2014, 06:46:39 pm »

What leaders are kicking around in London at the moment? I always thought guys like that left for Russia. If they're really bad (like Idi Amin bad) they go to Saudi Arabia or similar.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #211 on: February 01, 2014, 06:48:25 pm »

I have and I loved it. Great film.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2014, 06:58:17 pm »

I have and I loved it. Great film.
Me too.

Yanukovych remains on sick leave. I suppose it could be true (I imagine protesters gaining ground against my violent rule might make me queasy, but I think he has a fever); but it seems unlikely.

Kerry and friends are particularly interested in the case of Dmytro Bulatov, the one who was crucified. Dmytro remains wanted both for information about his kidnapping, and the crime of attending protests. The Police officers dispatched to the hospital to arrest him were convinced to do otherwise by activists there.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #213 on: February 02, 2014, 04:23:28 pm »

So opposition leaders have apparently called for the formation of civilian self-defense forces.
I only have a German link (zeit.de) - does anyone have more info?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #214 on: February 02, 2014, 06:43:14 pm »

Charges against Bulatov were dropped and he has left the country for Lithuania or Latvia (depending on the source) to receive treatment.
That's about the only progress the Munich conference has made apparently.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #215 on: February 02, 2014, 07:08:12 pm »

So opposition leaders have apparently called for the formation of civilian self-defense forces.
I only have a German link (zeit.de) - does anyone have more info?
I like how our parliamentary opposition calls for civilian self-defense forces, weeks after Right Sector started to form ones

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*modern liberals, liberals of the past were different
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #216 on: February 02, 2014, 11:13:28 pm »

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #217 on: February 03, 2014, 11:37:15 am »

Really, a peace-keeping conference in Munich is about as smart as taking a pen name of Adolf before running for Chancellor of Germany...
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2014, 12:15:50 pm »

Yanukovych remains on sick leave. I suppose it could be true (I imagine protesters gaining ground against my violent rule might make me queasy, but I think he has a fever); but it seems unlikely.

Eh, I could see it. It's winter, he's old, and the situation has got to be stressing him out. A cold/flu under those conditions is quite likely, and if it's a flu it could even be life-threatening.

Not saying he isn't faking it, mind you. Just that him getting sick while all this is going on isn't all that far fetched.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #219 on: February 04, 2014, 07:55:26 pm »

Short report:

In fact there are nothing to report, everything is calm. Too calm I must say. Nothing but some bla-bla-bla in parliament happens. I doubt that it will remain like that for long, situation is getting more and more and will explode again sooner or later

I suspect that the government will act during the Olympics hoping it will be a major distraction for the Western media
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #220 on: February 05, 2014, 09:22:39 am »

I thought this was interesting. A Time magazine interview with the leader of Pravy Sektor.
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« Reply #221 on: February 05, 2014, 12:15:35 pm »

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But on Sunday night, their leader Dmitro Yarosh agreed to give his first interview to a foreign media outlet. It was not so much an act of vanity as a political coming-out. He has clearly grown tired of being the movement’s anonymous enforcer.
I'd say he is one of the leaders. The only one who is public right from the beginning of formation of Right Sector.

Creation of the Right Sector was an initiative of "Trizub", Yarosh is a long time public leader of this group so he never was anonymous. So there are no point for him to hide, unlike other leaders. If anyone wants to create an expression that Yarosh is a head of revolution aiming to be Furher... that's a nonsense :)

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Increasingly marginalized, the group has grown much more assertive and, in some ways, has started going rogue.
Huh? Marginalized? Comparing to what? Right Sector was created in November 2013 and since then it's popularity only going up
As for going rogue... "Right Sector" never subordinated to the official opposition. Yep, some coordination existed and exist but no more than that
"Right Sector" doesn't control all self-defense squads, majority are more linked with the opposition, Like, for example Afghanistan Veterans.

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At the same time, Yarosh has demanded a seat at the negotiating table with the President. Once again, he was flatly denied. His ideology, it seems, is just too toxic to let him in the room.
Not exactly. Yarosh demanded a Maidan representative(s) in negotiations. naming himself as one of possible candidates. Mainly to oversee the negotiations not participate in it. People are getting tired of that system where "lords" discuss fates of "serfs" behind the closed doors. Negotiations like that must be public.

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Pravy Sektor’s ideology borders on fascism, and it enjoys support only from Ukraine’s most hard-line nationalists, a group too small to secure them a place in parliament
Heh. Déjà vu. Heard that sooooooo many times about Svoboda few years back. So
I wouldn't be so sure. People are picking more and more radical politicians with every elections
Right Sector is not a political party and doesn't plan to become one. That doesn't means that minor far-right parties that participate in Right Sector will not try to profit from the events
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #222 on: February 06, 2014, 05:49:36 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6X8X0_ILJk

Just want to share this. The video is likely from early January when the situation was much more calm and solvable.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #223 on: February 07, 2014, 03:09:11 am »

Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

So, any thought's on that? Anyone has any additional information?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #224 on: February 07, 2014, 03:16:42 am »

Here's the video.

Edit: Just listened to it, and nothing big apart from the business with Klitchko and Yatseniuk, but it's hardly surprising the Americans got a favorite horse in there.
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