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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #195 on: January 30, 2014, 05:03:30 pm »

Understand you don't get that sort of hazard pay if there isn't a damn good chance of you getting shot.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #196 on: January 30, 2014, 05:27:35 pm »

Well if there was a good chance the entire country could turn on you for supporting the wrong side once they are done with their revolution, you might want to save up some relocation money...

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #197 on: January 30, 2014, 05:49:13 pm »

Wonder if Yanukovych ate some polonium soup for lunch.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #200 on: January 31, 2014, 06:34:48 pm »

Exactly. When I  am saying that those guys are NKVD-like I am not exaggerating
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #201 on: January 31, 2014, 08:38:04 pm »

So a protest leader may or may not have been crucified recently.
What the fuck am I even reading...
Well if other nations are going to back the protesters, they now have the casus belli they needed.

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #202 on: January 31, 2014, 11:00:16 pm »

So a protest leader may or may not have been crucified recently.
What the fuck am I even reading...
Well if other nations are going to back the protesters, they now have the casus belli they needed.

Don't tell anyone the next generation of world leaders grew up learning war and politics from Paradox. They might try to murder us all, before it's too late.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #203 on: February 01, 2014, 07:22:18 am »

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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #204 on: February 01, 2014, 03:48:12 pm »

So any news? Yanukovitch on his death-bed/open mutineering in the army/Russian invasion?
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #205 on: February 01, 2014, 06:14:51 pm »

He probably fled the country.  Chances are he's in London right now, like a good many deposed leaders.
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« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2014, 06:16:35 pm »

What leaders are kicking around in London at the moment? I always thought guys like that left for Russia. If they're really bad (like Idi Amin bad) they go to Saudi Arabia or similar.
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Re: Events in Ukraine
« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2014, 06:25:36 pm »

So any news? Yanukovitch on his death-bed/open mutineering in the army/Russian invasion?
Apparently everything's going on as usual, and Yanukovich is still President of Ukraine. There would be a shitstorm in the Russian mass media if he had left the post or the country, and the Russian mass media (along with the Western mass media) are currently silent about that.

Recently, Russian and Western representatives attending an international conference in Munich have been accusing each other of exercising political pressure on Ukraine and meddling in Ukrainian internal affairs.
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« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2014, 06:29:16 pm »

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replace oligarchic with corporate

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« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2014, 06:32:37 pm »

I'd be tempted to say the corporate/oligarchic grip on power is stronger in Russia/Ukraine etc but it's more like the grip is more naked. I think the difference is that these guys are obviously gangsters who would kill your family if they had to (make you disappear etc), in the USA and many EU countries they wouldn't really go that far.

They'd encourage a war maybe (see Afghanistan/Iraq Wars and the fingerprints of corporate America are everywhere), but they wouldn't crucify you/shoot you dead in the street. The former Eastern Bloc is still a bit like the Wild West though where some pretty terrible guys can claw their ways to power without having to worry about all the old establishments we have in Europe and North America.
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