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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #930 on: February 28, 2014, 04:41:03 am »

Russian military ship off shore is to be expected when the main Russian naval base in the region is in Crimea.
Not when it is blockading Ukrainian part of the base making it impossible for Ukrainian vessels to leave the port
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #932 on: February 28, 2014, 05:38:13 am »

In this case, would this be a bad thing if it happened in an orderly and non shoot-y manner?
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #933 on: February 28, 2014, 05:41:59 am »

Assuming the locals agreed to being annexed and got a fair deal out of it? No, Russia is objectively evil always in every possible situation.

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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #934 on: February 28, 2014, 06:05:02 am »

Well, it might suck for the local Tatars/Ukrainians as Ukrainian would likely stop being an official language and they'd loose autonomy. But the chance that it'll happen in a non-shooty manner seems weak, given that the current government don't want to let Crimea go.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #936 on: February 28, 2014, 07:26:54 am »

Apparently Russian helicopters crossed into Ukrainian territory.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #937 on: February 28, 2014, 07:35:09 am »

This could get much bloodier than maidan was, very quickly.
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Attempts to take over airports aparrently peacefully thwarted by Ukrainian security forces,  Russian helicopters land in Crimea, and unidentified armed men have infiltrated Crimea, the interior minister says that it's an invasion.

Source, whatever I can find on Google ATM, your results may vary.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 08:07:01 am by MarcAFK »
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #938 on: February 28, 2014, 07:39:39 am »

Russia suffers when you boycott something as novel as vodka, that isn't even going into an export that is actually important to its economy. Either in these days of international supply chains they play nice, or Putin is more nuts than I ever gave him credit for.

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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #939 on: February 28, 2014, 08:34:38 am »

Press-conference of Yanukovitch is hilarious.

My favorite part is " Israel is terrified by Yarosh, Tyahnybok and Parubiy" :D
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #940 on: February 28, 2014, 09:47:46 am »

Well that escalated quickly  :o

...Time to start jogging in preparation to being drafted i guess?(Not that the US has really used the draft in ages, but still)
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #941 on: February 28, 2014, 09:49:31 am »

Has China said anything about Crimea yet?
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #942 on: February 28, 2014, 10:09:12 am »

Has China said anything about Crimea yet?
I think China will applaud should Russia annex Crimea

Decade or two later they will annex half of Russia because Chinese majority wants so
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #943 on: February 28, 2014, 10:33:55 am »

Russia says the unidentified men are pro-russian self-defense militias, Ukraine says they're Russians in neutral uniforms. Apparently they have no signs whatsoever on their cars and uniforms:
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The airports seem back in Ukrainian control, but some access streets are still blocked. Combined with the reported fleet and helicopter activities I'd say the Russians in neutral uniform scenario seems more likely to me.
Don't necessarily see what the goal is though, I guess support for Crimean secession. I still think they are narrowly going to avoid any real escalation.
EDIT: I see this has already been posted in the Eurothread.

The press conference with Yanuk must have been hilarious indeed. He still considers himself President. He denies having money in other countries (you know, the accounts Switzerland just froze), and claims all the state's money went to paying pensions, not to him.
He hasn't met Putin yet, which I guess shows how important Putin considers him to be.

All i saw was one guy making this comments along a bizzare uniforms discussion. hardly a serious discussion.

so, svoboda aren't neo-nazis?
No, there was more. Actually some discussion about Svoboda started in the Eurothread quite a while ago, but there was some in this thread too.  Basically while Svoboda are nationalists (and maybe more nationalistic than Western Europe is normally comfortable with), they are not Neo-Nazis.
The guys that look like Neo-Nazis are for the most part from the Right Sector, another nationalist organisation. It's my understanding that this organisation is strongly nationalistic with (by European standards) far-right opinions, but isn't really Neo-Nazi as a whole either. Some elements among them could probably be called that, but they don't account for the majority of the protesters.
There was also something about a rabbi calling the Jewish community in Kiev to leave the country, but that turned out to be Russian propaganda. German journalists talking with rabbis in Kiev found them very supportive of the revolution and not much more concerned than anybody would be with a revolution going on.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #944 on: February 28, 2014, 10:50:08 am »

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