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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #705 on: February 22, 2014, 07:24:42 am »

The newsfeeds here reports that Tymoshenko has been released, and a member of her party is now speaker of the parliament. Isn't she technically one of the corrupt oligarchs though, just one that's been opposed to Yanukovych (and thus jailed on trumped up charges)? Also rumors that Yanukovych's family has left the country.

edit: Oh, apparently the police and security forces have officially checked the wind direction and aligned itself with the opposition now.
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« Reply #706 on: February 22, 2014, 08:39:46 am »

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The Kharkov public gathering has announced a number of measures local authorities should take in response to the developments in Kiev. They should take full responsibility for all decision in respective regions, with no regard to authorities in Kiev until the constitutional order in Ukraine is restored, a resolution of the gathering says.

The military commanders should take measures to protect arms depots and prevent their take-over and looting by radical opposition activists.

Meanwhile citizens are encouraged to form local militias to protect public order. Local authorities are to fund and support those militias.
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The resent decisions of the national parliament were taken in conditions “of terror, threats of violence and death,” the resolution says. The gathering says the legislative acts may have been passed involuntarily and are neither legitimate nor lawful.

“The territorial integrity of Ukraine is at risk,” the gathering stated in the resolution.

It added that instability in Ukraine is highly dangerous and may cause unpredictable consequences, considering that the country hosts five nuclear power plants with 15 reactors in total, which some extremists have threatened to attack.

The gathering in Kharkov was attended by about 3,000 representatives of local governments, according to the governor of the Kharkov region, Mikhail Dobkin, one of the key sponsors of the event.

Russia sent several officials in the capacity of observers to the gathering, including Aleksey Pushkov, the head of the Russian parliamentary commission on foreign affairs, Mikhail Markelov, Pushkov’s counterpart in the Council of Federation, the upper chamber of the parliament, and several governors from regions in western Russia.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #707 on: February 22, 2014, 08:54:31 am »

Really, what is it with people and always assuming that nuclear power plants are a massive risk factor?

I mean really, it takes a whole lot of effort to blow one up, and there're much easier, and more enticing targets over there. (Gas pipelines, for one.) Yet another person merely playing on the memory of Chernobyl.

Anyway, so, if I follow it correctly, the government party has decided that the capital has fallen, and is aiming for a guerilla battle. This will not end up well.
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #708 on: February 22, 2014, 09:10:01 am »

Can they fight though? I don't think Yanukovich is especially popular anywhere, only fear of the right-winger could motivate eastern Ukrainian to fight.

Edit: Reports are that Yanukovich left for the UAE. He left so fast he didn't even take all his gold with him.

Look like a rebel victory. Now let's hope the opposition manage to avoid a break-up and restore stability.
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« Reply #709 on: February 22, 2014, 09:24:37 am »

There are some telling pictures of the presidential car collection and zoo coming out:
http://t.co/pLNQ91w6rF
http://t.co/7Palu7Tl68
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« Reply #710 on: February 22, 2014, 09:24:47 am »

No his plane was empty, he used another one to fly in Kharkiv and, likely, tries to go plan B route : Get a chunk of Ukraine to rule there

It will fail. Local population isn't going to fight for him and Putin will never
There are police\special forces units that have no way back,  but there are too few of them for anything serious
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« Reply #711 on: February 22, 2014, 09:44:07 am »

* LordSlowpoke is worried about what will happen to yanukovich's possessions now.

look at the garage. that looks like a lot of stuff that has a big amount of collector value and who exactly is going to expend effort towards guarding that now? because i can bet the opposition has better things to do

sure thing if it was bought with stolen money said money should be returned, but let's hope these vehicles remain in any shape that allows them to be sold when all of this is done with

or that they're even accounted for
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #712 on: February 22, 2014, 09:47:44 am »

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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #714 on: February 22, 2014, 09:51:03 am »

In before Crimea becomes the new South Ossetia.
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« Reply #715 on: February 22, 2014, 09:54:46 am »

* LordSlowpoke is worried about what will happen to yanukovich's possessions now.

look at the garage. that looks like a lot of stuff that has a big amount of collector value and who exactly is going to expend effort towards guarding that now?

Right Sector and other Maydan Self-Defense units will. All that to be auctioned and money used for  rebuilding Ukraine. Nationalists value national wealth.  All governmental buildings, residences, banks and anything else that needs to be guarded against marauders is guarded. Our revolution is well disciplined, do not worry about that.

The only thing allowed to be crushed - Lenin's statues. A lot of them fell today. Those are of little artistic value and anger needs to be directed somewhere.
If commies value that statues they should guard them themselves... I wonder why they don't
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Re: Uprising in Ukraine
« Reply #716 on: February 22, 2014, 09:56:35 am »

I though the big one that got destroyed early one was one of the last ones.

Edit: Anyway, this went faster, and less bloody than expected. We went from a simple compromise to a complete rebel victory.
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« Reply #717 on: February 22, 2014, 09:59:28 am »

In before Crimea becomes the new South Ossetia.
If I recall correctly, a few days ago the speaker of the Crimean parliament told Russian television channel NTV that they have already prepared the declaration of independence and other such documents and will secede if "Banderites" get into power. "We have absolutely no intention to live with these people in control in a single state", he said.
He also said that they have a militia of about 10 thousand volunteers ready to defend Crimea from possible assault by Ukrainian nationalist forces.
Time will tell if they follow their threats or not.
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« Reply #718 on: February 22, 2014, 10:01:40 am »

I though the big one that got destroyed early one was one of the last ones.
Nah, we still have a lot of them. It's a paradox but it is true.

I hope that soon pictures of Lenin, Stalin, Sickle and Hammer, Red Star and so on will be treated in exactly the same way as Nazi symbols in Germany. Something that should have been done back in 1991
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« Reply #719 on: February 22, 2014, 10:07:41 am »

Anyway, Yulia Tymoshenko is being freed, Klitschko is calling for elections before 25 may, Yanukovich is claiming a coup, and East Ukraine is preparing to secede, and protestors are playing golf on Yanukovich's personal grounds.

That's about it really.

Anyway, it all depends on whether or not Yanukovich will sign today's decisions.  He has 24 hours to sign the 2004 constitution into law, and if he doesn't, things will get complicated.
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