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[Sheb]

The EU don't want to weaken Russia. They just want the rest of the world to be like us: democratic, integrated, respecting of individual freedoms and indeed economically liberal. But at least we got the mechanisms to reform it from within.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Ukrainian Ranger, come to our, Russian side (we have cookies)

Seriously, our two nations could have GREAT common future. Our cultures match, our languages are common. Do you really want to live in liberalistic West with weird traditions and distorted family social layer? Do you think that the West supports Ukraine because of anything, but trying to weaken Russia by your hands? They don't like you. The West is like Reapers from Mass Effect, engulfing lifeful cultures into their matrix of sterilised preserved beings.

Joining Europe you will be FAR away from the USA, joining Russia you will be very close to Moscow!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[Svarte Troner]

Ukrainian Ranger, come to our, Russian side (we have cookies)

Seriously, our two nations could have GREAT common future. Our cultures match, our languages are common. Do you really want to live in liberalistic West with weird traditions and distorted family social layer? Do you think that the West supports Ukraine because of anything, but trying to weaken Russia by your hands? They don't like you. The West is like Reapers from Mass Effect, engulfing lifeful cultures into their matrix of sterilised preserved beings.

Joining Europe you will be FAR away from the USA, joining Russia you will be very close to Moscow!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[smirk]

http://www.aif.ua/politic/ukraine/1134529

* Sean Mirrsen is rolling on the floor laughing

I don't know anything about who the guy is... but the mental image is hilarious. XD

Hah! I wonder if this guy is pro-Russian integration; I really want justification for a "Luke, I am your Fatherland" joke =P

[Sheb]

Ahah, that cossak cartoon. :p My sister love them.

[BlindKitty]

The EU don't want to weaken Russia. They just want the rest of the world to be like us: democratic, integrated, respecting of individual freedoms and indeed economically liberal. But at least we got the mechanisms to reform it from within.

Just my few cents: EU is very, very far away from being economically liberal. It is, indeed, socialistic. Actually, take a look at the ideocube (link: http://cityofulthar.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/ideocube_final.jpg?w=584), and note where the Scandinavian Liberal Paradise lies. I'd most EU countries are at best Civil Rights Lovefest.
That aside, why people seem to think that China would side with Russia in the event of a war? My guess would be China _invading_ Russia if such war occurs; there is a good chance to get back what they lost a century or so back, or even get some more Siberia for them at the occasion, and there is literally nothing they could gain by helping Russkies. That said, I can't imagine NATO doing pretty much anything unless Russian tanks are in the vicinity of the Odra river. They would have to grow balls, and it doesn't seem like they even remember how it feels and are even afraid of them...

[Sheb]

Corporatist may be a better word for a what I meant.

[Comrade P.]

Spoiler: Sometimes I think people in EU and US see Russian external politics like that (click to show/hide)

While it isn't always like that.

[Svarte Troner]

Spoiler: (somewhat nsfw) And apparently, as evidenced by some people in this very thread, this is literally how some Russians see the "choice" (click to show/hide)

[Helgoland]

Well, you guys did just invade another country, and your president* has an openly imperialist attitude...

*Or prime minister, I don't know. Maybe both?

[Comrade P.]

Well, you guys did just invade another country, and your president* has an openly imperialist attitude...

*Or prime minister, I don't know. Maybe both?

Okay, I will not start tensions over Crimean events here once more, I just say that this point of view is only one of many possible, so it holds only part of truth.

[miljan]

The EU don't want to weaken Russia. They just want the rest of the world to be like us: democratic, integrated, respecting of individual freedoms and indeed economically liberal. But at least we got the mechanisms to reform it from within.

Lol. This is even worse than russia propaganda

[Sheb]

Well, invasion ain't a perfect world, but Russia did grab parts of Georgia and Ukraine using its army.

Miljan: Can you expend? I'd love to hear more.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Ukrainian Ranger, come to our, Russian side (we have cookies)

Seriously, our two nations could have GREAT common future. Our cultures match, our languages are common. Do you really want to live in liberalistic West with weird traditions and distorted family social layer? Do you think that the West supports Ukraine because of anything, but trying to weaken Russia by your hands? They don't like you. The West is like Reapers from Mass Effect, engulfing lifeful cultures into their matrix of sterilised preserved beings.

Joining Europe you will be FAR away from the USA, joining Russia you will be very close to Moscow!

Assuming that is not a trolling...

Let's start from the very simple thing. We recently overthrown a tyrant while loasing 104 dead, ~150 missing and thousands injured. And what you Russian, who claim to be our brothers and friends do?
You glorified sadists from Berkut - "Liberalistic West" never did that
You hid Yanukovich and other corrupted bastards- "Liberalistic West" would give him us them back instantly
You poured tons of shit on the dead and maimed Heroes of Maydan ""Liberalistic West" never did it
Using our weakness you invaded and occupied part of our country. "Liberalistic West" never did it
And so on

After all that saying that Russians are friends for Ukrainians is beyond absurd. Yes, some percentage of Russians are friends, but that minority is not in power

PS. I know one guy, a 52 year-old Stalin-fan. Who said me exactly that "You are a fascist but Putin is a worse fascist. And our only hope to defend against him is to join NATO"  That is an achievement to make him want NATO. I was deadly sure that it is impossible

[miljan]

Sheb:  I can. First EU it is not one entity, different countries in it want different things.
Second, it is not interested in spreading democracy (where the hack did you get that). The main reason for EU is income and one global market. So as everything in the world the most important thing is income and profit for companies and other things that will have a lot of benefits from it, and for some direct dmg to economy and normal people because of it. 

There is a lot more (like NATO crap), but one thing is for sure, the thing you said are same as russia going to UK to protect crimean . It's extremely naive point of view.