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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1845 on: March 04, 2014, 06:54:16 pm »

If you call everyone racist, then you have to call the ACTUAL white-supremacists (or whatever your prefered flavour of hate is) like... Super-Racists. Tru-Racists. MegaRacists?

Edit: Isn't immigration to Israel... already on the rise? Just mostly from Africa and such?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1846 on: March 04, 2014, 07:33:55 pm »

If you call everyone racist, then you have to call the ACTUAL white-supremacists (or whatever your prefered flavour of hate is) like... Super-Racists. Tru-Racists. MegaRacists?

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« Reply #1847 on: March 05, 2014, 04:38:52 am »

I am so proud of Ukrainian Navy and Ukrainian Army. They may lack in equipment , supplying and training but they have honor, loyalty and courage.
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« Reply #1848 on: March 05, 2014, 05:26:49 am »

So I'm without internet for a few days, and this thread explodes - didn't I bet against someone that there would be Russian trops in Ukraine? I feel I'm owed a beer...

Also, the parallel between the current nuke situation and the WWII gas situation (no, not that gas =/ ) is worth discussing more, I think: Even a direct conventional NATO/Warsaw Pact Russian confrontation won't necessarily result in nuclear war. That's why guaranteeing military aid to Ukraine seems very sensible to me: Even Putin doesn't have the poker face for such a threat.
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« Reply #1849 on: March 05, 2014, 05:29:00 am »

News from my news: Putin scoff at economic sanctions threats, partially invade two ukrainian missile bases. Anybody confirm for the bases?
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1850 on: March 05, 2014, 05:49:44 am »

Yep, they captured disabled our AA missile sites. I think that is to open skies for their military transport aircrafts or worse

IMO, It's time to start shooting  those "self-defense squads" time for that pacifist style of defense is over
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1851 on: March 05, 2014, 06:12:26 am »

No, that would be a mistake. You can't win this one militarily, so actually the longer this staring match go on, the more Putin's look like a stupid ass on the international scene (after all, he is supposed to be protecting people, but there is no violence? Why is he there then?)
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1852 on: March 05, 2014, 06:58:02 am »

No, that would be a mistake. You can't win this one militarily, so actually the longer this staring match go on, the more Putin's look like a stupid ass on the international scene (after all, he is supposed to be protecting people, but there is no violence? Why is he there then?)
Obviously the Black Sea would be red with the Blood of Innocent Civilians if it weren't for The Great Preemptive Humanitarian Security Mission of the Father of The Fatherland, The Bulwark Against Fascism, The Glorious Leader of The Free Peoples, Comrade Stalin President Putin!

How about a dual strategy - non-army snipers/partisans start a thousand-needles campaign, while the official military holds tight and looks on?
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« Reply #1853 on: March 05, 2014, 07:01:12 am »

Still not a good idea. Any violence would justify Putin's actions, which is why there is so many rumors of incoming false flags operations.

The Ukrainian's best chance is that Putin, having failed in his plan to provoke a war will go back under Western pressure and with insurance that he can continue to use Sevastopol.

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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1855 on: March 05, 2014, 07:19:03 am »

Nah, any irregulars that will attack "self-defense" units is absolutely the worst that can happen. I think Putin is dreaming about Right Sector arriving in Crimea to scream "Nazies are killing Russians!". Maybe that is what he expected knowing about natural tendency of far-rights to make rushy decisions.


If we talk about impossible scenarios: Crimean Tatar self-defense units in NATO(let's say Turkish) uniforms would be geopolitical trolling of epic proportions
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1856 on: March 05, 2014, 08:15:05 am »

That's an awesome comic, it does however show Belarus and part of Poland as being russia's upper jaw :s
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« Reply #1857 on: March 05, 2014, 08:18:28 am »

Video from the blockaded base of Ukrainian marines.
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Re: Russian intervention in Ukraine
« Reply #1858 on: March 05, 2014, 08:43:56 am »

That comic is adorable. But yes, the less violence there is, the better for Ukraine and worse for Putin.
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« Reply #1859 on: March 05, 2014, 09:09:48 am »

UR, the background music is amazing. Do you know what band is it?

Also, I'm deeply impressed by the courage and discipline of the Ukrainian Army. Despite Russian pressure up to and including warning shot (as seen on a picture before), no one tried to respond in kind, and there has been precious little desertion.
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