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[Reelya]

I'm not the first to point this out, but Unix's repository of all truth are the "man" pages. The "man" always thinks it knows better than you. Very similar to the feminist concept of "mansplaining".

So, we need to rename "man" as something else. "help" works fine.

[da_nang]

I'm not the first to point this out, but Unix's repository of all truth are the "man" pages. Very similar to the feminist concept of "mansplaining", which I've come to realize means any time a man opens his mouth in anything except 100% agreement with a woman.

So, we need to rename "man" as something else. "help" works fine.

But "man" is an abbreviation of manual, from the latin word manus meaning hand. And manus is feminine!

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I'm not the first to point this out, but Unix's repository of all truth are the "man" pages. Very similar to the feminist concept of "mansplaining", which I've come to realize means any time a man opens his mouth in anything except 100% agreement with a woman (in terms of how it's used, not the definition sense).

So, we need to rename "man" as something else. "help" works fine.

"help" begins with "Hel", which is a negative mythologization stereotype of the female as a force for death and loss.

(I've seen much worse argued from a feminist standpoint - you can use feminism to find an excuse to complain about everything ... uh ... yeah.)

I'm not the first to point this out, but Unix's repository of all truth are the "man" pages. Very similar to the feminist concept of "mansplaining", which I've come to realize means any time a man opens his mouth in anything except 100% agreement with a woman.

So, we need to rename "man" as something else. "help" works fine.

But "man" is an abbreviation of manual, from the latin word manus meaning hand. And manus is feminine!

Feminists don't care about reality or history. If it seems offensive to anyone, you must "build consensus" by changing it.

[Reelya]

Yeah, i was thinking the same, Leo, on relation to the "Rule of Thumb" debate. Read this:

http://www.icadvinc.org/what-is-domestic-violence/history-of-battered-womens-movement/

753 B.C.    During the reign of Romulus in Rome, wife beating is accepted and condoned under The Laws of Chastisement. Under these laws, the husband has absolute rights to physically discipline his wife. Since by law, a husband is held liable for crimes committed by his wife, this law was designed to protect the husband from harm caused by the wife’s actions. These laws permit the husband to beat his wife with a rod or switch as long as its circumference is no greater than the girth of the base of the man’s right thumb, hence “The Rule of Thumb.” The tradition of these laws is perpetuated in English Common Law and throughout most of Europe.

Yeah, Emperor Romulus of Rome. Real "historical".

Also, There was no link in history recorded between "rule of thumb" and wife-beating until a feminist author in the late 1970's.

[MorleyDev]

Okay, can we stop using the blanket term "Feminists"? Hell, I consider myself a feminist. "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women". Really nowadays outside of the radical movements it's as much about both genders, the female-lead ideas mostly being we still live in a society that has some deep misogynistic undercurrents. Undercurrents that I believe hurt both genders (I can go on a long rant about how we need to destroy and abandon notions of masculinity and femininity for example).

It's like saying "Christians are well known for burning people on stakes" or "LGBT rights activists push for  people to do recreational drugs". Sure, it may have been/be a thing some do, but they aren't speaking for a whole movement. Just add the word "Some" in there at least...

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Feminism nowadays is punctuated by silly purism. It's like if the Civil rights movement decided to start decrying every instance of 'white oppression' in literature and science, instead supposing there should be a 'properly tolerant to us' methodology for everything. That's intolerance at it's basest level.

[MorleyDev]

On the other hand, if you think something is bullshit and contributing to attitudes like "Bitch make me a sandwich!" and "She was asking for it!", or "He's not a real man, I proved it by beating him senseless." you have a moral obligation to call bullshit. If enough people call bullshit, society advances

[LeoLeonardoIII]

A song on TED.

@Morley: I wonder if it should be "some" or perhaps "many" or "most"? "Some" is not always accurate.

[MorleyDev]

Perhaps "some of the loudest". It's a sad fact of any collection of people, the people who tend to think the least about what they say and have the most disagreeable opinions are some of the loudest. I can point towards plenty of "feminist" blogs (as well as sexuality rights and human rights) that are perfectly reasonable. But they don't get passed around outside of their respective circles, they don't get 8-page forum posts about them.

It's a fact of life: The sane and reasonable simply don't get as much attention.

[Reelya]

@MorleyDev: That's why a lot of my posts say "postmodern feminism". It's postmodernism that's the real intellectual cancer, but it gets attached to real causes because that provides moral superiority that pure postmodern bullshittery lacks.

Postmodern relativism believes that all truth is relative. e.g. 2+2=4 is only true because mathematicians say so. I've heard people at my Uni say this to my face.

2+2 could equal 4.3 in an "alternate number system" that's "equally valid", according to the guy I talked to.

[kaijyuu]

A song on TED.

Hehe, I like it.

How dare those feminists say horrible things aren't funny.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

It's sad the 'some' 'most' 'those are only the loudest' etc semantics come about when its something agreed with by the party.

Bottom line: If a non-ignorable part of your movement finds it in their philosophy to completely reject science and math methodologies because they were made by the 'wrong people' who are assumed to be inherently misogynistic due to not being a part of the club.. That's no different than "Science for Jesus" nutjobs, and we are allowed to call the 'movement' out on it.

Postmodernism is a joke. Feminism is not.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

@MorleyDev: That's why a lot of my posts say "postmodern feminism". It's postmodernism that's the real intellectual cancer, but it gets attached to real causes because that provides moral superiority that pure postmodern bullshittery lacks.

Postmodern relativism believes that all truth is relative. e.g. 2+2=4 is only true because mathematicians say so. I've heard people at my Uni say this to my face.

2+2 could equal 4.3 in an "alternate number system" that's "equally valid", according to the guy I talked to.

It's partly scary because despite their failures these people might find themselves in a position to have some effect on the world around them. It's partly relieving because these people probably won't survive by their wits alone.

EDIT: I'm a postlunchist. I believe that the most effective intellectual discourse occurs immediately following a lunch, and that the quality of the lunch affects the quality of the discourse and its importance in relation to all fields of study. Prelunchists are early-rising fools, and postprandialists clearly overindulge in postprandial port.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

EDIT: I'm a postlunchist. I believe that the most effective intellectual discourse occurs immediately following a lunch, and that the quality of the lunch affects the quality of the discourse and its importance in relation to all fields of study. Prelunchists are early-rising fools, and postprandialists clearly overindulge in postprandial port.

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
 

[IronyOwl]

From the comments: "A feminist programming language is a language that respects the agency of objects, acting upon them only upon mutual consent."

I'd just like to pop in to say that this absolutely made my day.

Postmodern relativism believes that all truth is relative. e.g. 2+2=4 is only true because mathematicians say so. I've heard people at my Uni say this to my face.

2+2 could equal 4.3 in an "alternate number system" that's "equally valid", according to the guy I talked to.

And as long as I'm here: I don't know about "equally valid," but this should be technically true via semantics. I'd be curious to see someone who insists it's true otherwise try to actually construct and use such a system, or else explain how they know it's possible.

In fact, I should probably just go read up on it sometime.