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Author Topic: Postmodernism vs Bay12 - Deathmatch 2014. aka feminist programming languages  (Read 29333 times)

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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #225 on: February 02, 2014, 07:42:52 pm »

What the heck do computer programing and Feminism have to do with each other?
Look, there are very few women in programming, so instead of looking at the social stigma attached to being a programmer or accept the possibility that maybe women just don't want to get into the industry, we are going to blame the programming languages!  The only solution is to design a language around political ideals, regardless of effectiveness or coherency.

Kind of redefines the term 'Feminist logic', doesn't it.  :P

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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #226 on: February 02, 2014, 07:43:09 pm »

What the heck do computer programing and Feminism have to do with each other?
Don't you know that in ancient times computer programmers spearheaded the Patriarchal movement? The lingering tendrils of male logic remain within our electronics to this day.

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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #227 on: February 03, 2014, 12:38:52 am »

Can anybody put into layman's terms just what the hell this woman is trying to do? I'm just a beginner in C++ and have no experience in any kind of psychology, but all I'm getting from this is that this lady wants "something new". No word on what that "something new" is or how it's going to improve the state of computer science or programming in general.

Is there any actual development going towards this project? Because if this is more than just academics and Live Journaling, I would love to see this lady's design documentation.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #228 on: February 03, 2014, 12:49:01 am »

What the heck do computer programing and Feminism have to do with each other?
Look, there are very few women in programming, so instead of looking at the social stigma attached to being a programmer or accept the possibility that maybe women just don't want to get into the industry, we are going to blame the programming languages!  The only solution is to design a language around political ideals, regardless of effectiveness or coherency.

Kind of redefines the term 'Feminist logic', doesn't it.  :P
What the heck do computer programing and Feminism have to do with each other?
Don't you know that in ancient times computer programmers spearheaded the Patriarchal movement? The lingering tendrils of male logic remain within our electronics to this day.
Could you cut out with the 'jokes' if these are jokes? Because some of us are pretty serious in wondering what the heck the details in the OP are wondering about.

I'm grumpy today. Excuse my seemingly aggressive post. I do not intend any malice but I really don't like substituting jokes for answers...without any context.
It ain't funny.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #229 on: February 03, 2014, 12:52:52 am »

Ok, in all seriousness most of the stuff that is mentioned in the link is somewhat non-coherent. It pretty much is a joke in and of itself, even if it didn't mean to be. Most of it just isn't logically consistent, at least not as far as computers go.

If you want to know what the heck she is talking about, the answer is; not much.

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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #230 on: February 03, 2014, 12:55:41 am »

Thanks. T_T
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #231 on: February 03, 2014, 01:31:03 am »

The real answer is: it's about "relativism". Cultural relativism, not Einsteinian. Post-modern scholars teach their students that everything is a cultural artifact and all truth is relative. Mostly, this lot keep to their own field and write wonderfully onanistic essays like "Posthuman Performativity: Transgressing The Boundaries" that normal people can't process, and honestly i'm 99.99% sure, neither can their professed followers. But no-one admits to it, like the Emperor's New Clothes.

But ... every so often one of these fringe loonies from the more pointless sub-fields of the Humanities gets it into their head that they can cruise over to some established STEM field, wave a magic wand and quickly rewrite all the science textbooks because their lecturers have assured them that science is just a house of cards ready to fall over to their amazing social deconstruction.

Actually here's Richard Dawkins giving a speech on the very topic of this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHiqXxoRFro

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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #232 on: February 03, 2014, 05:46:26 am »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #233 on: February 03, 2014, 05:46:37 am »

Look at the comments... so toxic xD
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #234 on: February 03, 2014, 06:09:22 am »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #235 on: February 03, 2014, 01:23:30 pm »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #236 on: February 03, 2014, 01:32:50 pm »

Everything is the same shitty thing depending on how far you zoom in or out.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #237 on: February 03, 2014, 01:59:42 pm »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
"All Liberal Arts are the same shitty thing, and must bow before the great STEM overlords forever!"
Naah, STE people should bow down to their M overlords, and we'll just meet the other guys at the pub later on.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #238 on: February 03, 2014, 02:00:35 pm »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
"All Liberal Arts are the same shitty thing, and must bow before the great STEM overlords forever!"
Naah, STE people should bow down to their M overlords, and we'll just meet the other guys at the pub later on.
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Re: Towards feminist programming languages
« Reply #239 on: February 03, 2014, 02:08:27 pm »

When all you have is a Liberal Arts degree everything looks like a social construct, I guess.
"All Liberal Arts are the same shitty thing, and must bow before the great STEM overlords forever!"
Naah, STE people should bow down to their M overlords, and we'll just meet the other guys at the pub later on.
Pff, like you can do anything useful with M. T is what gets you results.
Pfft - T and E can build some nice machines and suchlike, and S is taking a glimpse under the veil to watch God at work - but M's in his toolbox, having a field day!
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