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[Urist Sonuvagimli]

Dwarf fortress Locunrimtar have just fended off the most ferocious siege on my memory. In fact, 3 screens of invaders made it a full-scale international inasion. There were notable events, that could have far reaching consequences I'd like to enqure about.

WARNING: Lots of text. Do not open if you dont feel like reading.

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The fight has began - huge horde charged the fortress from 2 sides.

8 Goblin crossbowmen immideately got caught in a cage traps, which I built in abundance. Remains of their squad began a crossfire with dwarves stationed atop of the walls, while Goblin Axeman  and Lasher squad stormed the south entrance to the fort. Lashers moved faster, and ran ahead of the rest to be all massacred by weapon traps. 

This attracted the attention of nearby Dwarven merchants guards, who rushed into the battle with Goblin Axemen and Crossbowmen, leaving their protege  trader behind. In the meantime, siege engineer fired a ballista, skewering 2 gobins and 1 caravan guard, then ran inside. Seeing his squads murdered, Elite goblin crossbowman and Axeman have fled. Using this moment of enemy fear, I ordered melee squad "The Imprisoned Armories" to close in to finish.

However, during the violent melee at the southern gate, a large (around 30) group of hammer-wielding goblin elk-bird cavalry led by the Hammerlord was waiting not too far away from the western castle entrance. I have lowered the bridge and opened the door, hoping to make them run into trap-ridden entrance. It had no effect on them, however, it awoke the mini-horde of trolls, who were, presumably, standing at higher z-level, hidden from sight all this time. Trolls quickly flooded down the slopes right into the cage and weapon traps scattered around. one of them avoided being caged, and mauled an unprotected Dwarven trader to death.

Meanwhile, I've noted, that 2 marksdwarves squads got 6 men seriously wounded. Seeing almost all of the goblins killed, I've canceled the alert to recover the wounded. Before I could realize, that western exit was fully accessible by the enemy, civilians have already stepped out of the safe vault...
Dwarven luck, so rare, this time has smiled upon the fort. Goblin Hammerlord, craving for some easy kills, rushed headfirst into the entrance,and, naturally, got himself caged. A number of his squad members followed him and had their heads and limbs sliced off. Such inconsiderate deed was probably the last drop for survivng squad members. They saw their comrades impaled, chopped into pieces, smashed by falling rocks and now imprisoned. Hammermen burst into chaotic retreat.

The victory was at hand. Yet, there was a certain someone along with the goblins. Here he is:



Somehow, this "someone" managed to stay unspotteed throughout the whole fight. I took notice of him when he decided to sneak inside right past the traps and bite the dog's head off:

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General was the last of his army standing. So I ordered 4 squads to finish him off, going for an easy kill. I was proven wrong.

The last fight took so long, that half of the squad soldiers fainted from exhaustion. Despite general wearing just wool/leather, 90% of bolts and strikes glanced off. Only squad officers managed to do any harm to him. And the fight was brutal:



That's right, he(it?) kept fighting after having both arms chopped off and getting stabbed a hundred times by a militia commander. I dont think there was any single square millimetre of general's body not mutilated. Naturally, its blood splattered around everywhere- on walls, floors, dwarves. Nevertheless, it was killed and the fight was over.

I've paused the game at this point and would like to clarify some points. Some of the events were underlined, and I'd really like to hear what are the consequences of those. The events are outlined below for your convenience, or if it was TLDR:

1."In the meantime, siege engineer fired a ballista, skewering 2 gobins and 1 caravan guard"
2."Elite goblin crossbowman and Axeman have fled"
3."mauled an unprotected Dwarven trader to death."

And especially, the general. Who was he?  Such ammount of punishment taken... Was he a forgotten beast? What will happen after his death? Wiki claims the sieges will be over...

Thakyou in advance.

[ancistrus]

Pick any world you generated. Look into Legends. Somewhere near the beginning of the list of the historical figures, after megabeasts, forgotten beasts and titans, there will be a few demons. These demons escape the underworld and gain status in human (pretending to be gods) or goblin civilizations.

[Garath]

I don't think firing a balista counts as agression, so no loyalty cascade. Don't worry about killed traders. The caravan will leave without trading and be a bit smaller than before, but your own civ won't attack you

goblins fleeing won't have much effect, caravan guards fleeing isn't an issue for you either

I don't know if the sieges will stop, but if the general was responsible for taming an animal that they are riding into battle, they won't be able to use it anymore. If he'd been the one to go out into the world and tame elkbirds, no more elk bird cavalry for the goblins.

[Cocoprimate]

I can confirm that sieges keep coming after the death of their leaders. My dwarves killed the goblin king in a siege (he too was a demon). After that, if I check the civ list and choose the goblin civ, I get "this civilization has no important leaders". But I still get regular sieges.

[Urist Sonuvagimli]

If he'd been the one to go out into the world and tame elkbirds, no more elk bird cavalry for the goblins.

Well that is a good news and bad news. Mostly bad I guess - meat industry would suffer. Would they still be able to come, say, on cave crocs?

My dwarves killed the goblin king in a siege (he too was a demon).

Are adamantine-dwelling demons just as tough? If yes, then by Armok's beard... 4 full squads had trouble beating the pig to death...

[Garath]

If he'd been the one to go out into the world and tame elkbirds, no more elk bird cavalry for the goblins.

Well that is a good news and bad news. Mostly bad I guess - meat industry would suffer. Would they still be able to come, say, on cave crocs?

My dwarves killed the goblin king in a siege (he too was a demon).

Are adamantine-dwelling demons just as tough? If yes, then by Armok's beard... 4 full squads had trouble beating the pig to death...

If he was also the one who tamed the cave crocs, nope. You could check legends (copy the save folder and abandon there to view it without abandoning your fort) to see who tamed what in that civ.

Demons are tougher than FBs usually, they have a few extra immunities and abilities. In this case, my guess is that the 'bloated body' protected him from serious injury just as fat layers do on dwarfs, but more efficient. Also an important point, if he was wearing any clothing, those would have offered immense protection because the thickness of it scales up with body size. It would have protected him from serious internal damage such as cut arteries. Regular demons don't wear clothing, so would be easier to seriously damage.

[Rohain]

I believe you will still have sieges.  They will likely simply choose a new leader who will continue to pester you, though you did slay a historical figure who probably has a reasonable amount of importance in the world. 

[Garath]

I believe you will still have sieges.  They will likely simply choose a new leader who will continue to pester you, though you did slay a historical figure who probably has a reasonable amount of importance in the world.

historical figures/leaders currently only emerge during worldgen and at your fort, so no, once the general is gone, there will be no new general, ever. The next big update should fix this.

[CaptainLambcake]

next update will have a persistent world, for now, you won't be attacked by mounted goblins anymore.  you could always piss off elves and humans for more meat.  also, fleeing goblins won't return, again, next update they may return or something.

[Urist Sonuvagimli]

for now, you won't be attacked by mounted goblins anymore.  you could always piss off elves and humans for more meat.  also, fleeing goblins won't return, again, next update they may return or something.

Confirmed. 3 sieges came so far, no mounts whatsoever. Not even toads. Also, looks like the loss of a leader was a serious hit for local goblin civ, as their subsequent sieges are miserable in comparison, and get ground to dust by traps.
Yet the pig leader anaged to hurt the fort from beyond the grave. Remember all that poison blood he had? It is now everywhere. All livestock have rotten alive (Nightmare fuel). Some floor tiles were built to prevent further contamination, yet, I'd really like to know ho to clean it off the walls. Oh, have a nice river btw:

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You'd think it's just red sand. You're wrong.

The gray-colored tiles are covered in goo. All that poison is now splattered all over the river banks, fishermen got infected. Well, at least now medidwarves are GrandMaster surgeons.

[Urist Sonuvagimli]

 

[Urist Sonuvagimli]

Nevermind the goo, I've managed to flood the yard and get it all drained down into the aquifier. Now, about a half of general's army ended up in cages:



Prisoners of war are granted the noble opportunity to die fighting at the arena grounds. Too bad most of them forget honor and just run around while getting riddled with bolts like a pin cushion. In the good old day of 40< dwarves, I used the following method:

1.Construct 2-4 cages with prisoners at the arena.
2.Link them to the lever.
3.Station marksdwarves behind the fortifications
4.Pull the lever.

As you can see, this method is inappropriate in case of nearly hundred prisoners. Is there any more efficient way to let them onto the arena? I have read about pitting, yet havent tried due to concern that creatures might escape their cage while being hauled to the pit. Could you please clarify? Thanks!

[Chaia]

You can safely pit all of them, only snatchers, thiefs and master thiefs can escape the pitting progress.

Wiki "Mass-Pitting" for examples how to do it, pretty simple.

[Garath]

you can also build just one cage, link it to the lever, and stuff all the goblins inside it.

[Urist Sonuvagimli]

you can also build just one cage, link it to the lever, and stuff all the goblins inside it.

What the... Does it work? Or are you just trying to make my gaming experience more !FUN!?