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[Rolan7]

Weird, I rarely have much trouble with the aquatic missions.  The basic ones where you usually just fight mutant fish are a good source of aqua-plastics, though I often take a casualty or two when it rolls sharkmen instead.  Or the jellyfish with mind powers.

Later the Underwater Assets from Goblin Zaxx are a bit trickier because of the number of Deep One nomads with actual weapons, and submerged buildings they sometimes hide in.  But the drowning is rarely the problem except if I bring peasants along.

A few advanced medkits from gambling, or some oxygen tanks, should clear the drowning damage up if necessary.  I think the Brainer outfit's little snorkel is as good as a space suit too, in a pinch!

My main difficulty with underwater missions is the Sea Oddities where the second half has you fight flying enemies (on land) who resist most types of damage, and you can only bring underwater equipment like dart guns and javelins.  They only use charm damage themselves though so it's more annoying than actually dangerous.  Go at night because they glow.

[Dostoevsky]

My general rules for underwater missions:

a) if in doubt, wait until you have diving gear (i.e. something that supplies air) before doing them

b) bring plenty of harpoon guns, with some pikes as backup

c) Just skip the two-parter missions (namely the mission where you start defending on the shore then go down into the water, and the mission where the first part is getting ready to go through an underwater passage)

And yeah, per Rince Wind's suggestion I usually split up mission venue by base. So in addition to regular bases I have a base dedicated to underwater, one for space, one for caves, one for undercover (though that usually overlaps with the cave base), etc. Much less re-equipping and logistics pain that way.

I've put a few hours into XCF now. I'm liking it so far, though there's probably a bit too many subdue-these-cultists missions.

I'm afraid I have some bad news for you then, hah. Although I guess I heard some of the more common cultist missions were toned down a tad in recent patches.

As for cryptids, sometimes it's a matter of bringing the right types of weapons. There are a few early-ish choices that are really good for handling the things that go bump in the night.

[deoloth]

Remember that pikes, and other ranged melee weapons, are fantastic for aquatic missions as long as you watch your TU. Just remember to bring oxygen tanks and if you don't have an outfit that lets you store them than dedicate someone(s) to hauling oxygen for everyone else. With pikes, early aquatic weapons (harpoons/xbows), you should be able to handle the more common underwater foes, except Jellyfish, without much trouble.

It's been awhile since I played but I also remember training throwing on new recruits with ninja stars/sunblades in underwater missions as well.

[E. Albright]

It may be worth noting that Looter armor is a full diving suit as well, albeit a walking suit with limited field of vision. It's honestly the most versatile armor you've got for a lot of the game and lets you sneak ubers with a pile of gear slots into some missions that otherwise only allow humans or very limited armor types.

[Aoi]

I'm pretty sure there was some endgame tech gated behind the aquatic missions, or at least a lot easier to get from them than relying on randomized research hell. I remember sitting there for around a year and a half of gametime farming underwater missions and MARSEC trying to build the Conqueror, XEC units, and progress along the Shadowrealm stuff (never got the tower...).

Not sure what I was actually missing anymore though.

[Rolan7]

Not sure about a research gate, but they're a good easy source of aqua plastics for making tactical armor.  Plus the Underwater Assets missions give Zaxx tokens of course, though they're longer and trickier.

I don't remember what the Sea Oddity 2-parters give... Damsels IIRC, maybe some gems?  And research on the g-g-g-gals which might lead to stuff.

Pikes are indeed useful!  Maybe spears too, and some hammer-like melee with 2-tile range I forget exactly.  But mostly I use javelins - about 3 hits takes down even the jellyfish, and they're big targets.

[notquitethere]

Hmm, not a good sign...

[Mathel]

I'm pretty sure there was some endgame tech gated behind the aquatic missions, or at least a lot easier to get from them than relying on randomized research hell. I remember sitting there for around a year and a half of gametime farming underwater missions and MARSEC trying to build the Conqueror, XEC units, and progress along the Shadowrealm stuff (never got the tower...).

Not sure what I was actually missing anymore though.

You need Aqua Trident to unlock Aqua Javelins, to unlock Aqua Bullets, to unlock Extra Cannon Munitions, to unlock X-Gauss Construction.
To be fair, Aqua Tridents can be gained from any mission with Deep Ones. But don't be like me and forget to research it.

[Aoi]

I'm pretty sure there was some endgame tech gated behind the aquatic missions, or at least a lot easier to get from them than relying on randomized research hell. I remember sitting there for around a year and a half of gametime farming underwater missions and MARSEC trying to build the Conqueror, XEC units, and progress along the Shadowrealm stuff (never got the tower...).

Not sure what I was actually missing anymore though.

You need Aqua Trident to unlock Aqua Javelins, to unlock Aqua Bullets, to unlock Extra Cannon Munitions, to unlock X-Gauss Construction.
To be fair, Aqua Tridents can be gained from any mission with Deep Ones. But don't be like me and forget to research it.

Nah, nothing so simple. I want to say it was some kind of rare lore item, or maybe a gemstone or trinket of some kind-- I remember one of the last aquatic-based missions was going to some kind of haunted island or something, where I practically lost, because I wasn't ready to fight these... mostly intangible kind of ghostly things that did charm damage or something?

[Rince Wind]

After doing that mission a few times (I think back when you didn't have to fight underwater first) I decided that it wasn't worth the effort and ignored it.

[Rolan7]

It's not so bad now that there are many more 2-range melee options to reach the enemies, and they aren't usually dangerous.  I think doing it once might be useful for research, and it seems to always have a damsel.

The main thing is that it takes a lot of freshness, and probably drains a lot of freshness (by length if nothing else).  I used to clear it with javelins but I think slashing damage is better (ninja stars and cutlasses?), or daze/concussion in melee.

[MCreeper]

Huh, i always waited until i had electric musket balls to go with air muskets. In last playthrough it was so late, i already didn't need anything from that mission. 

[Robsoie]

Noticed the mod 40K got updated to version 0.35 with a whole new playable faction

Spoiler: changelog (click to show/hide)

Add new Deathwatch faction and several bug Fixes
Craft Bolter and Bike now uses same ammo
Assault Cannon and Craft Assault Cannon now use same ammo
Dreadnought now have solo research and not depend on craft research

Rosigma is not yet updated for this version, it's still requiring 0.34
But you can get the rolling development release ( https://github.com/BeatAroundTheBuscher/ROSIGMA/archive/refs/heads/main.zip )  while waiting for the stable release, this one requires the new 0.35 version of the 40k mod
And additionally requires the new OXCE 7.9 too
https://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/topic,5258.0.html

Spoiler: current changelog of the Rosigma rolling release (click to show/hide)

UPDATE 2.2 NOTES:
**Requires OXCE 7.9. Works with 40k 035**

FIX:
- Some Loading fixes for the Ork Teleporta gun / Shokk Attack Gun, Nurgle sneezing attack and gravcannon ammo.
- STR_SLAANESH_BASE string added.
- Surface base generators are now immune to infection and intimidation.
- Nurgle unit spawner grenades now have proper reductions to their health damage.
- Bughunt Mode tweaked to trigger at 5 remaining enemies instead of 3, and with possibly lower TU (example: Squats).
- Valkia Shield now less open to being man-handled by non Chaos followers (added restrictions to using it).

QoL:
- New Flavor Names for outposts and sectors.
- Updated all Gibs graphics for existing scripted units that can gib.
- Added dozens of squishy gib graphics and units affected by the gibbing script. Includes deserters, civilians, Adeptas, GSC, Orks & Gretchin, chaos flavor cultists etc.
- STR_LIGHT_BOLTER_AMMO_SHORT: "Short Light Solo Bolter Mag" clarified.
- Added Corruption/Infection and Intimidation Metrics to Stats for Nerds
-  Updated STR_COUNTRY_HAS_SIGNED_A_SECRET_PACT and STR_COUNTRIES_HAVE_SIGNED_A_SECRET_PACT text to make it clearer they can be reclaimed if the enemy chaos base is destroyed.
- Lowered research cost of some corpses and live captures.
- Rearranged order of Enemy race lists (will change in the battle mission gen).
- STR_TELEPATH_STAFF_UFOPEDIA added with clarified text of the read mind and panic attack abilities.

CHANGES
- Set extendedExperienceAwardSystem. true with the new OXCE update. Several changes, xp gained by hitting enemy units (not neutrals), i.e you cannot train on mind-controlled aliens anymore, throwing experience also gives some secondary stat gain. Smoke counts, stun counts and shotgun pellets counts as 1 hit.
- Thunderbolt interceptor improved; gained 1 armor, 5 evasion, 500 fuel capacity and 3x repair speed. Acceleration reduced from 5 to 4.
- Hull Plating extra health reduced from 250 to 50; armor increased from 2 to 3; intended to reduce the equip times substantially and improve its niche at tanking low level threats without repair downtime.
- Standardized webber ammo stats (buff) to be in line between pistol and heavy webber.
- Added Incendiary rounds for the Ripper Gun; these are most effective versus lightly armored targets, and for illuminating darkness/defeating camo.
- Allowed Servitors on Taurox.

ADEPTAS
- Upped stun damage for Adeptas Lead by example, halved healing to make it less OP.
 
ASTARTES
- Terminators recover from wounds as quickly as their Firstborn brethren.
- Added "Throttled" Assault Cannon Mode to allow more flexibility in deployment.

ARBITES
-  Marshall Armor buff, more in line with custom human sized power amor/mastercrafted carapace, stands up a little bit better in the end game. Front armor 110 instead of 90, side armor 100 instead of 80, rear 70 instead of 60.

GUARD
- Custom Scion Jump Armor sprites added.
- Updated Regiment Training Mission for all soldier types (even Adeptas are now invited).

INQUISITION
- Added Jump Armor for Stormtroopers.
- GKs now get Force Halberd research automatically.
- GK Chaplains get Inspire and 40 Devotion at Captain rank.
- Fixed spawned Thunderfires having recoverable shells.
- Fixed Tome of Speed. Causes some stun and morale damage to prevent OP over-use. Now scales with psiSkill instead of bravery.

ELDAR
-  Gave STR_SHURIKEN_CLIP, AUX_STARCANNON and AUX_DOUBLE_STARCANNON some ToArmorPre (armor damage).

NECRON
- Necron Weapons (Gauss Flayers/Blasters) Getting Missing Autofire; Weapons Improved Tabletop Accuracy. Gauss Cannons now suitably powerful.


CHAOS

NURGLE
- Nerfed Nurgle Spits and Sneezes direct health damage. Several hits will kill a guardsman, but it's more about damaging armor and debuffing with corruption.

SLAANESH
- Slaanesh Traitor Guard forces added with spritework by Xom and Leflair. Includes flak variants, carapace, officer and commissar (commander). Equipped with slaanesh flavor lascarbines, lasguns, longlas and plasma pistols. The Perfect Guard have a very small 1/turn dodge chance and higher reactions than their counterparts.
- Filling out their forces are Slaanesh contingents of turned novices, devotees, cultists and slaangors.
- Added a Slaanesh Sonic Platform, merging chaos and xeno technology, for the Slaanesh Traitor Guard and Slaanesh lists.
- Added Slaanesh Chimeras with custom turrets, including a Sonic Cannon variant (not as strong direct damage as the Havoc version).
- Added a Slaanesh Escher-derived lasgun (using slaanesh las cells) and reworked the tanith-one to act as their longlas. Slaangor, Cultists and Slaanesh Guard requipped accordingly.
- Added a Sonic Gun, equipping the Slaanesh Carapace Stormtroopers/Veterans, and replacing most of the Choir Guns that Slaanesh Sisters had. It does half health damage of the Sonic cannon, has halved armor penetration, but causes some time unit/energy damage.
- Added Slaanesh Traitor Guard lists to randomized defenders of Traitor Guard bases and patrols. They can also carry out certain mission types.

TZEENTCH
- Added Tzeentch Chimeras with custom turrets, equipped with heavy bolters or Tzeentch heavy flamers.

[Robsoie]

Rosigma 2.2 is now available for OXCE 7.9 + 40k 035

Spoiler: changelog (click to show/hide)

UPDATE 2.2 NOTES:
**Requires OXCE 7.9. Works with 40k 035**


FIX:
- Some Loading fixes for the Ork Teleporta gun / Shokk Attack Gun, Nurgle sneezing attack and gravcannon ammo.
- STR_SLAANESH_BASE string added.
- Surface base generators are now immune to infection and intimidation.
- Nurgle unit spawner grenades now have proper reductions to their health damage.
- Bughunt Mode tweaked to trigger at 5 remaining enemies instead of 3, and with possibly lower TU (example: Squats).
- Valkia Shield now less open to being man-handled by non Chaos followers (added restrictions to using it).
- Stopped recovery crash of a tzeentch ritualist unit.
- A DW Blood Angels Tactical Armor set was available to non-marine units, added a missing limitation.

QoL:
- New Flavor Names for outposts and sectors.
- Updated all Gibs graphics for existing scripted units that can gib.
- Added dozens of squishy gib graphics and units affected by the gibbing script. Includes deserters, civilians, Adeptas, GSC, Orks & Gretchin, chaos flavor cultists etc.
- STR_LIGHT_BOLTER_AMMO_SHORT: "Short Light Solo Bolter Mag" clarified.
- Added Corruption/Infection and Intimidation Metrics to Stats for Nerds
-  Updated STR_COUNTRY_HAS_SIGNED_A_SECRET_PACT and STR_COUNTRIES_HAVE_SIGNED_A_SECRET_PACT text to make it clearer they can be reclaimed if the enemy chaos base is destroyed.
- Lowered research cost of some corpses and live captures.
- Rearranged order of Enemy race lists (will change in the battle mission gen).
- STR_TELEPATH_STAFF_UFOPEDIA added with clarified text of the read mind and panic attack abilities.

CHANGES
- Set extendedExperienceAwardSystem. true with the new OXCE update. Several changes, xp gained by hitting enemy units (not neutrals), i.e you cannot train on mind-controlled aliens anymore, throwing experience also gives some secondary stat gain. Smoke counts, stun counts and shotgun pellets counts as 1 hit.
- Thunderbolt interceptor improved; gained 1 armor, 5 evasion, 500 fuel capacity and 3x repair speed. Acceleration reduced from 5 to 4.
- Hull Plating extra health reduced from 250 to 50; armor increased from 2 to 3; intended to reduce the equip times substantially and improve its niche at tanking low level threats without repair downtime.
- Standardized webber ammo stats (buff) to be in line between pistol and heavy webber.
- Added Incendiary rounds for the Ripper Gun; these are most effective versus lightly armored targets, and for illuminating darkness/defeating camo.
- Allowed Servitors on Taurox.
- Lowered first 4 months Space Hulk Mission chance by 20% (50->40).

ADEPTAS
- Upped stun damage for Adeptas Lead by example, halved healing to make it less OP.
 
ASTARTES
- Terminators recover from wounds as quickly as their Firstborn brethren.
- Added "Throttled" Assault Cannon Mode to allow more flexibility in deployment.

ARBITES
-  Marshall Armor buff, more in line with custom human sized power amor/mastercrafted carapace, stands up a little bit better in the end game. Front armor 110 instead of 90, side armor 100 instead of 80, rear 70 instead of 60.

GUARD
- Custom Scion Jump Armor sprites added.
- Updated Regiment Training Mission for all soldier types (even Adeptas are now invited).

INQUISITION
- Added Jump Armor for Stormtroopers.
- GKs now get Force Halberd research automatically.
- GK Chaplains get Inspire and 40 Devotion at Captain rank.
- Fixed spawned Thunderfires having recoverable shells.
- Fixed Tome of Speed. Causes some stun and morale damage to prevent OP over-use. Now scales with psiSkill instead of bravery.

INQUISITION - DEATHWATCH
- Updated Soldier stats for ROSIGMA. These guys are veterans, so they have better random stat distribution on recruitment, higher bravery etc. The various chapters have slightly different odds of stat boons (+5 here and there, nothing huge).
- Integrated v035 Deathwatch Armor sets (about a dozen) with ROSIGMA stat lines. Includes anti-stealth, armor values and resistances etc. Salamanders get special fire/melta resistance.
- Integrated new DW Weapons with ROSIGMA stats balancing. DW Weapons are a notch above in terms of quality, which is reflected in some weapons.
- Integrated new DW Craft variants with ROSIGMA stats. Improved repair, speed and refueling time.
- Updated DW craft manufacturing costs with ROSIGMA balancing.
- Updated new DW Armor manufacturing costs and kill token balancing.
- Added STR_RIFLEA (Artifex Pattern) and renamed STR_RIFLEB back to ULTRA pattern. Updated starting care package events for DW to reflect this. RIFLEA is DW exclusive, similar to Stalker pattern but tweaked for auto-fire (Slightly worse at long range).


ELDAR
-  Gave STR_SHURIKEN_CLIP, AUX_STARCANNON and AUX_DOUBLE_STARCANNON some ToArmorPre (armor damage).

NECRON
- Necron Weapons (Gauss Flayers/Blasters) Getting Missing Autofire; Weapons Improved Tabletop Accuracy. Gauss Cannons now suitably powerful.
- Necron Scarabs added as Terror Unit.


CHAOS

NURGLE
- Nerfed Nurgle Spits and Sneezes direct health damage. Several hits will kill a guardsman, but it's more about damaging armor and debuffing with corruption.

SLAANESH
- Slaanesh Traitor Guard forces added with spritework by Xom and Leflair. Includes flak variants, carapace, officer and commissar (commander). Equipped with slaanesh flavor lascarbines, lasguns, longlas and plasma pistols. The Perfect Guard have a very small 1/turn dodge chance and higher reactions than their counterparts.
- Filling out their forces are Slaanesh contingents of turned novices, devotees, cultists and slaangors.
- Added a Slaanesh Sonic Platform, merging chaos and xeno technology, for the Slaanesh Traitor Guard and Slaanesh lists.
- Added Slaanesh Chimeras with custom turrets, including a Sonic Cannon variant (not as strong direct damage as the Havoc version).
- Added a Slaanesh Escher-derived lasgun (using slaanesh las cells) and reworked the tanith-one to act as their longlas. Slaangor, Cultists and Slaanesh Guard requipped accordingly.
- Added a Sonic Gun, equipping the Slaanesh Carapace Stormtroopers/Veterans, and replacing most of the Choir Guns that Slaanesh Sisters had. It does half health damage of the Sonic cannon, has halved armor penetration, but causes some time unit/energy damage.
- Added Slaanesh Traitor Guard lists to randomized defenders of Traitor Guard bases and patrols. They can also carry out certain mission types.

TZEENTCH
- Added Tzeentch Chimeras with custom turrets, equipped with heavy bolters or Tzeentch heavy flamers.

edit 40K mod updated to 0.35.1 to fix a few bugs

[Dostoevsky]

Another new XPZ version, this one pretty hefty.

It's almost too big of a pile for immediate impressions, but worth noting a) peasants look to have a new low/mid-tier armor option, which has always been a bit missing, and b) all dogs are now named (and they're filled out more as a soldier species).