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[ancistrus]

Ok so here is something I never experimented with, nor have I seen a thread discussing it. It is possible now, (or maybe it has always been?) to forbid items once the construction has started. I forbade the base material (granite) and the mood resulted in an iron item (unsurprisingly the dwarf still became a stonecrafter). So... why iron? Is it allways iron? Or is it random?

Also, I tried reloading the game multiple times to see what happens when you forbid various items. Then I tried forbiding every item and then, autosave came... the dwarf now seems unable to complete the artifact. What will happen next? Is he even capable of hunger and thirst in this state?

[Garath]

he'll go insane or something

[itg]

This is a known "feature," but I don't think it's widely known. Consensus in earlier discussion was that game defaults to iron because it is the first material listed in the raws. If you put, say, platinum first, you'd get a platinum artifact instead.

If you forbid all the items, the dwarf will eventually go insane, just as in a typical failed mood.

[ancistrus]

This is a known "feature," but I don't think it's widely known. Consensus in earlier discussion was that game defaults to iron because it is the first material listed in the raws. If you put, say, platinum first, you'd get a platinum artifact instead.

If you forbid all the items, the dwarf will eventually go insane, just as in a typical failed mood.

I always thought dwarves only go insane during the collection phase and once they find everything, they are safe.
Also could you provide link to the thread you mentioned?

[Blue_Dwarf]

I had such an "artifact" too 

[ancistrus]

Has anyone made an iron window yet?

[Larix]

That'd be tricky, i think you'd need a gemcrafter or glassmaker mood of a dwarf who likes windows. I messed around with this when i found out about it, and managed to create an iron cape. Clothier and leatherworker moods are the most promising for weird stuff, although ropes will come out as chains and bags as chests (same as with adamantine cloth moods).

You can't have a "perfect iron" - those are just artefact-grade large gems, using a single stone. Forbidding that means the dwarf has nothing to work with and will go insane.

[Garath]

Since moods tend to ignore the ordinary job list (you can have an iron bed and similar 'impossible' creations) iron windows might be possible, but I've never seen anyone even with an artifact window

[ancistrus]

Heh, perfect iron was indeed the first thing that came into my mind

Since moods tend to ignore the ordinary job list (you can have an iron bed and similar 'impossible' creations) iron windows might be possible, but I've never seen anyone even with an artifact window

The point of this thread is that iron anything is possible

[Garath]

my remark was only meant to ask if windows is possible at all. An obvious example is that you will never, ever, get artifact bolts or other ammo, iron or otherwise.

So, do artifact windows happen? That is merely my curiosity.

[ancistrus]

Well the wiki says they do, and I think I had one....but it may have been 4-5 years ago.

[Broken]

Heh, perfect iron was indeed the first thing that came into my mind

Since moods tend to ignore the ordinary job list (you can have an iron bed and similar 'impossible' creations) iron windows might be possible, but I've never seen anyone even with an artifact window

The point of this thread is that iron anything is possible

Actually, anything anything is posible, if you change the order of the raws.

A question, though: Is posible to change the order in play, or does that cause an error? If you can chane it in play it would be easy to have a fort with diamond chests, onix hoods, or, well, anything you want.

[ancistrus]

Heh, perfect iron was indeed the first thing that came into my mind

Since moods tend to ignore the ordinary job list (you can have an iron bed and similar 'impossible' creations) iron windows might be possible, but I've never seen anyone even with an artifact window

The point of this thread is that iron anything is possible

Actually, anything anything is posible, if you change the order of the raws.

A question, though: Is posible to change the order in play, or does that cause an error? If you can chane it in play it would be easy to have a fort with diamond chests, onix hoods, or, well, anything you want.

I just tried it and I still got an iron item. Just to make sure, the file used is inorganic_metal.txt right?

[Sutremaine]

It does require a regen if you want to change the 'default' material.