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[Rolepgeek]

But he didn't. If his base damage bonus is +22, and his damage bonus after the power attack is +30, he power attacked for -4 to hit. So why did he say that it was +6?

And where is he getting all his attack bonuses from? He doesn't even have Weapon Focus. It should be like +21 base or so. Still stupidly high(but I can scare the living daylights out of all of you save the paladin, and I'm working on that), but not as ridiculously so.

[Flying Dice]

It is +21 base. 6 [BAB] + 14 [Str] + 1 [Enchantment] = 21. At least going by what's on his sheet.

I don't know why he said the power attack was -4/+6, though. It might have been because of the PA clause about not exceeding BAB.

[Rolepgeek]

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

[Flying Dice]

You'd have to ask him.

[Rolepgeek]

I did...

Remuthra, could you kindly go through your character's attack bonuses for me?

Adding them up, that is?

[Flying Dice]

* Flying Dice sighs.

I meant that in the sense of, "I can't answer that because I don't know the answer."

[Remuthra]

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

It's a two-hander. +7 extra strength bonus.

I don't know why he said the power attack was -4/+6, though. It might have been because of the PA clause about not exceeding BAB.

I charged for a +2 to hit and damage.

[GreatWyrmGold]

He's using the 2d8 base damage for it, which is a Large-sized weapon (essentially a Large bastard sword), which would incur a -4 penalty to attack due to being offsized. The Fullblade is wonky anyways, because IIRC it was never updated for 3.5 and the stats are a bit unclear. Unless we're houseruling that the weapon proficiency removes the offsize penalty.

e: At least, I think that's how the size would play out. Might be something weird like Large creatures using it as a 1H weapon and Medium creatures using it as a 2H, IDK.

We've been over this. In 3.0, Large meant "Two-handed for a Medium creature".

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

It's a two-hander. +7 extra strength bonus.

You only increase your effective Strength bonus for damage.

I charged for a +2 to hit and damage.

Charging only gives +2 to hit. Wonky, but them's the rules.

[Flying Dice]

He's using the 2d8 base damage for it, which is a Large-sized weapon (essentially a Large bastard sword), which would incur a -4 penalty to attack due to being offsized. The Fullblade is wonky anyways, because IIRC it was never updated for 3.5 and the stats are a bit unclear. Unless we're houseruling that the weapon proficiency removes the offsize penalty.

e: At least, I think that's how the size would play out. Might be something weird like Large creatures using it as a 1H weapon and Medium creatures using it as a 2H, IDK.

We've been over this. In 3.0, Large meant "Two-handed for a Medium creature".

Yeah, I vaguely remembered that sometime last night while I was faffing about with other things, which is why I came back with the qualifying edit.

[Remuthra]

He's using the 2d8 base damage for it, which is a Large-sized weapon (essentially a Large bastard sword), which would incur a -4 penalty to attack due to being offsized. The Fullblade is wonky anyways, because IIRC it was never updated for 3.5 and the stats are a bit unclear. Unless we're houseruling that the weapon proficiency removes the offsize penalty.

e: At least, I think that's how the size would play out. Might be something weird like Large creatures using it as a 1H weapon and Medium creatures using it as a 2H, IDK.

We've been over this. In 3.0, Large meant "Two-handed for a Medium creature".

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

It's a two-hander. +7 extra strength bonus.

You only increase your effective Strength bonus for damage.

I charged for a +2 to hit and damage.

Charging only gives +2 to hit. Wonky, but them's the rules.

Welp, I've been doing this wrong for all time.
+28 to damage, and +17 to hit.

As far as the fullblade goes, though, it's a large greatsword fitted to be used by a medium creature. According to the Arms and Equipment Guide, there's no size penalty as long as I'm proficient.

[TealNinja]

Charging only gives +2 to hit. Wonky, but them's the rules.

That...  makes no sense.  I've never seen it actually played like that.

Huh.

[GreatWyrmGold]

He's using the 2d8 base damage for it, which is a Large-sized weapon (essentially a Large bastard sword), which would incur a -4 penalty to attack due to being offsized. The Fullblade is wonky anyways, because IIRC it was never updated for 3.5 and the stats are a bit unclear. Unless we're houseruling that the weapon proficiency removes the offsize penalty.

e: At least, I think that's how the size would play out. Might be something weird like Large creatures using it as a 1H weapon and Medium creatures using it as a 2H, IDK.

We've been over this. In 3.0, Large meant "Two-handed for a Medium creature".

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

It's a two-hander. +7 extra strength bonus.

You only increase your effective Strength bonus for damage.

I charged for a +2 to hit and damage.

Charging only gives +2 to hit. Wonky, but them's the rules.

Welp, I've been doing this wrong for all time.
+28 to damage, and +17 to hit.

As far as the fullblade goes, though, it's a large greatsword fitted to be used by a medium creature. According to the Arms and Equipment Guide, there's no size penalty as long as I'm proficient.

Are you accounting for the fact that, when they say "Large weapon," they mean "two-handed weapon for Medium creatures"?

[Remuthra]

He's using the 2d8 base damage for it, which is a Large-sized weapon (essentially a Large bastard sword), which would incur a -4 penalty to attack due to being offsized. The Fullblade is wonky anyways, because IIRC it was never updated for 3.5 and the stats are a bit unclear. Unless we're houseruling that the weapon proficiency removes the offsize penalty.

e: At least, I think that's how the size would play out. Might be something weird like Large creatures using it as a 1H weapon and Medium creatures using it as a 2H, IDK.

We've been over this. In 3.0, Large meant "Two-handed for a Medium creature".

Exactly. So why does it say +28?

It's a two-hander. +7 extra strength bonus.

You only increase your effective Strength bonus for damage.

I charged for a +2 to hit and damage.

Charging only gives +2 to hit. Wonky, but them's the rules.

Welp, I've been doing this wrong for all time.
+28 to damage, and +17 to hit.

As far as the fullblade goes, though, it's a large greatsword fitted to be used by a medium creature. According to the Arms and Equipment Guide, there's no size penalty as long as I'm proficient.

Are you accounting for the fact that, when they say "Large weapon," they mean "two-handed weapon for Medium creatures"?

Hence the exotic feat required to wield it.

Fullblade: A fullblade is 18 inches longer than a
greatsword and is too large for a Medium-size crea-
ture to use with two hands without special training;
thus, it is an exotic weapon. (Medium-size creatures
cannot use a fullblade one-handed at all.)
A Large creature could use the fullblade with one
hand, but it would be assessed the standard –4 non-
proficiency penalty on its attack rolls; Large creatures
can use the fullblade in two hands as a martial
weapon. A Large creature with the Exotic Weapon
Proficiency (fullblade) feat can use the fullblade in
one hand, but a Medium-size creature must use both
hands even if it has the relevant feat. A fullblade is
also called an ogre’s greatsword.

Considering how spelled-out this is, the fact that it has no mention of improper size penalties for medium creatures with training suggests there is no such penalty. Besides the fact that it wouldn't make sense to create a weapon designed to suffer from a penalty for not being designed for the creature's use.

[Rolepgeek]

I call bullshit, personally, but less vehemently.

It just sounds like a Bastard Sword for large creatures.

You could take Monkey Grip and use a Large Greatsword though. I'd be fine if you retro-changed it to that. Same damage, small penalty to hit, but less vague about rulings.

Also, Descan, read this.

I'd like to make sure that everyone is fully read up on their class features and intrinsic parts of their character. Everyone good?

[Descan]

... I did read that. That's how I got the whole "I'm level 6 and it's hit die is level 6 so" thing. :I