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Garath

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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2014, 05:17:46 pm »

well yes, I did check for bowgobs first. I just got lucky the second ambush was pikegobs. Good shield skill will help too.
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2014, 08:59:53 pm »

Seriously , am i the only one who can get 2 legendary swordlords shot in the lower spine in the same battle.
No matter how masterfully your steel breastplate is made , bolts just don't care.
What were your Swordsmasters' stats and defensive skills like?
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2014, 12:15:12 am »

Until military gets fixed, why even bother? It doesn't matter where you embark, because the only thing you will ever need to defend yourself is there: MAGMA
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2014, 07:04:45 am »

Until military gets fixed, why even bother? It doesn't matter where you embark, because the only thing you will ever need to defend yourself is there: MAGMA

because it gets boring to always do the same thing

because my computer is so bad I turn temperatures off and magma doesn't do anything when temperature is off

because it's just fun to read the combat report
« Last Edit: January 06, 2014, 07:06:43 am by Garath »
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2014, 12:11:21 am »

I thought direct contact with magma still melted things even with temperature off?
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2014, 07:32:12 pm »

As others have said, skill is so much more important than materials, especially dodging and blocking skills, because it means your dwarf will survive hundreds of dice rolls and counter attack over and over. Even if you're using a copper axe, it can still do blunt damage if it didn't pierce their iron armor. Most vanilla monsters aren't fully armored anyway, so you'll score plenty of hits on unprotected parts of their bodies. Secondly, the material that you use for bolts isn't very important at all. Silver bolts are the best, but copper bronze iron and steel are almost exactly as effective, so just use whatever is cheap and available to you. The material for a crossbow is not important at all unless your marksdwarves are in melee range using the hammer attack. Finally, maces and hammers use blunt attacks, so silver is equal or better than steel, and any dense material at all makes a fine choice.

In all of the above cases you want to focus on crafting skills and combat skills first, and then materials second. Steel weapons and armor ARE better and it is an enormous advantage to make your armories out of it, but at the same time it's very hard to say what the difference is between a low quality steel breastplate vs a masterwork copper breastplate. Or a masterwork copper mace vs a low quality silver mace. But assuming that everything is masterwork then of course go for steel and candy.

I wouldn't stress about iron and steel on your embarks (though you DO want the flux). I think the only requirement for a good embark is copper and a flux layer (marble!). With only copper you can start training up weaponsmiths and armorsmiths immediately, and if weapon/armor smithing is their highest skill then later on when they have a Fey Mood they will make an artifact weapon or armor (fully customisable by you, by the way, if you forbid certain materials when you get the Announcement then you can force platinum weapons or steel armors if you want).

You don't need iron on your embark, you need a melting industry. Get down to the magma and start melting and forging and melting and forging as soon as possible. Melt everything that isn't a masterwork, melt the goblinite, melt all the crafts you buy from the outpost, ask them for steel toys and steel crafts and steel bars. You can even utilize a few duplicating tricks if you want to, put Forge Giant Steel Axe Blade on repeat then melt them all down to quickly get 1.5x bars you started with. If you feel bad about duplicating then don't.

Asking the Liason for steel and iron jacks up the prices, and importing all those steel weapons and crafts is actually VERY expensive considering some things like a decorated flute can cost 5000 and a giant spiked ball could be 8000, so if you want to buy out a caravan it takes more work than just stonecrafting on repeat. It adds a nice element of purpose and challenge to your crafting, you'll need more things going on simultaneously like bone crafting, jeweling, and silk cloth. Don't cheese it with masterwork cooking though!

If you can reliably get that magma forging up and running in your early years before ambushes and seiges, then you've like quintupled the number of "good" embarks out there. Instead of focusing on the metals (you're happy with tetrahedrite, remember?) you can focus on the terrain around you and get other limited resources like featherwood trees, fun zombie biomes, sand/clay, volcanos, glumprong trees, and most importantly you can more easily and happily choose an embark area that you just like asthetically.
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Re: What kind of metal should i look for
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2014, 09:43:08 pm »

I think the only requirement for a good embark is copper and a flux layer (marble!). With only copper you can start training up weaponsmiths and armorsmiths immediately,
Copper is also a component of many alloys. Zinc and tin are available in reasonable quantities should the traders have them, and from those you can make brass (not a martial metal, but will aid in buying iron or steel from the traders) and bronze (better than copper and not as heavy). If you can get copper, tin, and bismuth, you can make bismuth bronze. It performs the same as regular bronze, and is a bit more valuable.

Silver-only is a little trickier. You can make weapons and bolts, but no armour. Between the dwarven and human caravans you'll probably have enough time to buy, melt, and reforge traded items, but if not then your only offensive options are sniping and weapon traps. You could also dig for adamantine if you're striking the magma ASAP, but that may be more trouble than it's worth.
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I am trying to make chickens lay bees as eggs. So far it only produces a single "Tame Small Creature" when a hen lays bees.
Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.
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