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Author Topic: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 26 - June 2091  (Read 36038 times)

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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #315 on: February 17, 2014, 03:53:37 pm »

Beside, if we really want to go ahead we can go for the Lunar base commander. Significant boni there, and we should get enough stuff done before she has a breakdown.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #316 on: February 17, 2014, 04:59:19 pm »

I'm gonna go ahead and change my vote to the Admiral.  Inspiring others to do work is more important than one individual that can do a useful action.  Only changing my vote because the Personnel guy is not popular at all.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #317 on: February 17, 2014, 05:07:20 pm »

I think the HoP would be best in both the long and short runs, but lets grab the admiral as everyone is going with them.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #318 on: February 17, 2014, 05:59:12 pm »

Sorry im very new here.

Can someone tell me if were still going to be on the spaceship or are we landing now?
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #319 on: February 17, 2014, 06:01:21 pm »

Have just landed; right now they are deciding who the leader of the base should be.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #320 on: February 17, 2014, 06:09:30 pm »

Everyone likes The Admiral. They shall live or die by The Spartan Way.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #321 on: February 17, 2014, 06:14:32 pm »

I strongly against penalty to organization so switching my vote to Admiral Wright
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #322 on: February 18, 2014, 10:12:43 am »

Going fro Admiral Wright as well.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #323 on: February 18, 2014, 02:10:56 pm »

Admiral Wright
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #324 on: February 18, 2014, 10:21:58 pm »

Sorry, but I've been finalizing the Outpost mechanics and am retconning the Commander abilities.  Base Commander's free action can be in either Construction or Production - now seperate categories; Maintainance and Repair is now simply called Repair because maintainance implies routine.

I am also renaming the "Powered Exo-skeleton Constructor Units" to "powersuits", because I like the name much better.

Speaking of mechanics:
I'm not entirely happy with some of the explanations; go ahead and ask any questions there are now to avoid future problems.



This is the real beginning of the Outpost phase.  Each turn will now last only one month, unless there are interrupts for some reason.  During each turn, a number of actions can be taken.  Most, but not all, of these fall into one of several categories:
 - Construction - This includes the building and unbuilding of structures.  From salvaging the ship itself, to making rooms and supports in a cavern, to carrying a piece of equipment from the cargo bay and assembling it, these actions generally involve heavy things and somewhat less than fine precision.  They also include major hauling projects.  Most construction projects can be done with sufficient manpower, but they can be quite large and difficult without heavy gear.
 - Production - The more refined counterpart of Construction, Production actions are for making things to put into the built spaces.  These generally come from a factory of some sort, though they can be done by hand with greatly varying levels of inconvenience.  Production slots stack the best - it is easier for two factories to build parts of something than for two teams to be digging in the same place.
 - Mining - These actions deal with all sorts of digging and mining.  They can include things like moving around the product of the mines, and shoring up the spaces opened, to some extent.  These, except for minor surface projects, are quite difficult or impossible to do with a Manpower action.
 - Repairs - While general maintainance will be done in the course of normal activity, some things require more time and effort.  If a powersuit is damaged, or a reactor is brought down for maintainance, or the air filter gets full of algae, these actions will be when repairs are made.  These can almost all be done with Manpower actions, and tend to be easier for it than things like Construction and Production.
 - Engineering - Production falls into an obvious category, but before things can be made, they must be designed.  Engineering handles the implementation of technology, designs/prototyping of new things, or modifications of existing machinery.  It is also relatively easy to force other tasks into the Engineering category (with some inefficiency).  Engineering can always be done with a Manpower action, but tend to be quite difficult as such.  Engineering slots don't stack very well.
 - Science - While Engineering is the application of knowledge to making things, Science is finding out that knowledge.  Science equipment tends to be specialised to a certain type of science.  It can be done with Manpower actions, but generally anything above the level of recording visible effects of physical actions will be extremely difficult.  Science slots hardly stack at all.

The oft-mentioned Manpower Action simply means to do something with general handtools and other common equipment.  It tends to be less effective, though some actions are perfectly suited to them.  Generally, there will be a lot more people assigned to these than there are to other actions.

Actions are used, generally, to complete Projects.  A Project has a number of attributes:  at least its cost, its modifier, and its workload.  The cost describes the resources needed to complete it, described in numbers of units.  The modifier represents its difficulty - most science projects have a strong, constant negative modifier, certain easy projects have positive modifiers, and doing things without the appropriate tools will incur a hefty negative modifier.  Workload represents how much work something takes to complete - the roll for whatever Action(s) are applied to a project have the modifiers applied, and be added to the current progress.  When progress exceeds workload, the project is considered complete.

For example, take the following:
Construction Project: Water Electrolyser. Size 2. 80 point project; takes .1 units Basic Parts and .3 units Common Materials. Uses 3 power.  Turns water into oxygen and hydrogen (which may or may not be retained) at a 3:2:1 ratio, max 3 units of water per month.

This project is Construction, because the electrolyser can be built from stock parts and sheet metal, cement, or whatever else is on hand.  It will consume .1 Basic Parts and .3 Common Materials from stocks when started.  Suppose the a Powersuit unit is used to build it.  There will be no modifier because the tools are appropriate - here, even better than needed.  If, say, a 30 is rolled, the project will advance by 30+0 points to 30/80 progress.  Next turn, a team of 3 workers with handtools (Manpower Action) is added to the powersuits to help make sure it is completed immediately.  They would add their roll to the powersuit's roll, at a moderate malus due to inefficiency and their being not ideal - though not bad - for the task.  If this whole system seems terribly subjective and arbitrary, that's because it is.

The result of the project will be a "Water Electrolyser" structure which takes up 2 space (a Small building or cavern), and consumes 3 power and a variable amount of water to produce oxygen and hydrogen.

Generally, a project's modifier cannot cause critical hits or fails, and a negative result due to modifiers won't actually remove progress.

Projects now take Resources.  Resources refers specifically to expendable materials stocked in limited quantities - economically scarce if that is helpful.  They tend to be pretty vague.
  • Common Materials.  Refined metals and ceramics, used as material for most production and making Basic Parts.  Also used as stock for building and such.
  • Basic Parts.  Made from Common Materials; used in making things with complex parts which are not prefabricated, and provides a bonus to appropriate production tasks due to skipping intermediate production steps.
  • Advanced Parts. Needed for production and repairs of Advanced technology.  Made from a variety rare materials, and will probably need a considerable production base to make.
Resources also includes things like fuel, food, water, and so forth.  The list will expand to any scare resource which comes into play.
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #325 on: February 19, 2014, 04:00:34 pm »

Is there limit on number of projects we can have running at the same time, or can we leave some "unfinished" and continue later?
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #326 on: February 19, 2014, 04:24:28 pm »

No limit, though it would be nice to keep it to a reasonable level.  You can come back to them later, unless they are based on special circumstances which will go away if not acted on.  Generally, though, those actions are not projects.

Oh, sometimes I'll say something like "New Project..."; you can and should invent projects to do, even if I haven't said they were unlocked or anything.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 06:21:36 pm by Draxis »
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21
« Reply #327 on: February 19, 2014, 07:35:26 pm »

So, do you guys want to live on the land, under it, or temporarily choose one of those options and seek to graduate to a colony under the ocean?  Or something else that didn't occur to me?

Edit: Also, still okay with the Admiral despite the retconning and explanation of game mechanics.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 07:40:53 pm by Nunzillor »
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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 21 - Febuary 2091
« Reply #328 on: February 20, 2014, 06:49:55 pm »

Update 22 - Febuary 2091

Admiral Ellis Wright was selected for base commander, on the ground that his skills would help the whole base run better, something which cannot be built up as easily as infrastructure.  With him and the first wave of Outpost personel awake, and the rest of the ship crew being cycled out for outpost staff, a chain of command has been set up.  This is the beginning of the Outpost mission in earnest.

None of the cargo has been unpacked, but the bay doors are cleared and it will be trivial to take out the powersuits or Digging/Drilling vehicles.

Actions:

1 Production or Repair action from the Damage Control/Machine Shop, from anything which can be brought through the ship to it. 4 Manpower.
1 Construction action from the Powersuits. 2 Manpower.
1 Mining action from the D/D Vehicles. 2 Manpower.
Manpower: 21 Available

24 staff awake
-1 monitoring cryobay cycling
-1 monitoring ship systems
35000 people in cryosleep

Life support: 25 (from ship)
        15 from CLLS
        10 from Biodome
Food production: 25 (from ship)
        15 from CLLS
        10 from Biodome
No food stores

Power: 37/150 used.  Uses .04 He-3 Fuel /month.

Resources:
2.1x  Basic Parts
3.8x  Advanced parts
1.0x  Advanced Medical Supplies
2.0x  Pressurized Air
25.5x He-3 Fuel

Bonuses:
Admiral Ellis Wright: Organization+, Morale++, Leadership++
+5 Rugged Construction of the ship.



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Re: Outpost 5 - Suggestion Game - Update 22 - Febuary 2091
« Reply #329 on: February 20, 2014, 08:10:12 pm »

Right, we are gonna need some off-ship storage and some resources ASAP, so what do you guys say that we go and:

Produce several of the pre-fab structures we just designed, along with, say, 5 o2 makers
mine a subterranean location to store things
setup the ore processor
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