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[Dermonster]

"Never actually found steel. What was that one?"

[Tomcost]

I don't actually recall anyone actually using them aside from that one time someone transformed into both Heaven and Hell or whatever, and the two sides tore each other apart and killed him.

That was Bob, Piecewise's avatar in Toaster's game.

((That was me. I made sheep. They didn't kill me. Also, guessing it's Hallowed and Corruption. Or was that Toaster's game?))

Both sheep ignored you until one of them was dead, then they attacked.


I also recall some people getting under the effects of the forces, so you are not lacking the means to acquire the knowledge.

[Toaster]

Thrakor eyeballed the two weird... people? discussing this Doom Knight fellow.  "Seems like you'd be better off having them just kill each other.  Less to worry about and keeps things simpler!"

Simple!

[Dermonster]

"You do realize they are going to kill all of us when we get too powerful, right?"

[Toaster]

"So your brilliant plan is to throw yourselves at them and let them kill us?  If they won't attack anyone under a certain power level, why don't we just throw that guy off a bridge and sit around building Space Lasers! and handing them out until we're all ultra powerful?"

[Dermonster]

"No, my plan is to prepare for a few turns with everyone in the arena and then make what I like to call an alpha strike. Basically an overwhelming show of force to kill him before he can react. Crossbows full of acid, pits of magma, giant spheres of Vacuum, and yes an arcane laser or two."

"You say it may be folly to attack them now, you say it must be wiser to prepare, but don't you think they thought of that? You don't think that they aren't watching our every move? If we just do nothing but prepare for hours and hours then they'll take notice, and then they'll already know what we are going to do! They know the book backwards and forwards, they know the strengths and weaknesses. If we hand out giant arcane lasers they'll just nullify it! We have to ambush him here and now, while he's distracted."

[Toaster]

"You're contradicting yourself.  They can't both know everything and be ambushed; either they know exactly what is coming or they don't."

[Dermonster]

"I am not. He cannot observe us while he is fighting Beirus. This is the window of opportunity."

[Toaster]

"You keep saying 'they' though.  Are you not saying there are more of them, outside this place, watching us?  Surely they can tip off the guy here."

[Dermonster]

"There are three master orchestrator of this place. They came through a while back. We talked a little."

"Also, it doesn't matter if they have telepathy. If they don't, hurray for us, we can ambush the Demon Knight. If they do, EVERY PLAN WE EVER MAKE WILL BE UTTERLY SCREWED ANYWAY! It doesn't matter. In the worst case scenario they just no sell anything we throw at them and we die like pigs no matter what decisions we make because they'll already know them. I'd rather take the odds that they don't have it and we can win, rather than the 100% lose chance if they do."

[Toaster]

"Fair enough!  But tell me every word you know out of the book first, okay?"

[Dermonster]

"If you return the favor, then sure."

[Bigf00t]

Spoiler: Quotes to which I am responding: (click to show/hide)

"-snip-
"You say it may be folly to attack them now, you say it must be wiser to prepare, but don't you think they thought of that? You don't think that they aren't watching our every move? If we just do nothing but prepare for hours and hours then they'll take notice, and then they'll already know what we are going to do! They know the book backwards and forwards, they know the strengths and weaknesses. If we hand out giant arcane lasers they'll just nullify it! We have to ambush him here and now, while he's distracted."

"There are three master orchestrator of this place. They came through a while back. We talked a little."

"Also, it doesn't matter if they have telepathy. If they don't, hurray for us, we can ambush the Demon Knight. If they do, EVERY PLAN WE EVER MAKE WILL BE UTTERLY SCREWED ANYWAY! It doesn't matter. In the worst case scenario they just no sell anything we throw at them and we die like pigs no matter what decisions we make because they'll already know them. I'd rather take the odds that they don't have it and we can win, rather than the 100% lose chance if they do."

"Ok, I have some serious bones-to-pick."

Spoiler: Bones to pick. Spoiler'd so as not to excessively annoy non-RPers, as this is a Wall of Text. (click to show/hide)

"Problem with your "prep = death" angle. So it's ok to hurried throw ourselves into battle, with no real prep time. That is "a good plan". But prep and ALL WILL FALL INTO RUIN! THEY WILL NULLIFY EVERYTHING!
No they won't. This assumes that somehow, by knowing all of the words you can actually protect yourself from all and any attack. We should know as sure as anyone this isn't really possible. YES they could counter us if we all prepared by making the exact same weapon, like if we ALL made necro-soul-eating weapons they could just turn silver. But I don't call that prep. Proper preparation gives you a couple of angles to attack from, that's why my fight with Mako went so badly, I had retractable claws, but I couldn't use them because if I took off my silver gloves he might have been able to use my soul-mace. I only had one option, which was ineffective as Mako kept disarming me. I didn't really think about that."

"Next: WHY HAS NO-ONE CONSIDERED, WHOEVER GETS HIS 20 FREAKING SOULS MAY JUST ATTRACT THE NEXT BAD-ASS? WHO WILL BE EVEN MORE POWERFUL would that not make matters worse for you, and everyone else, by the same reasons which you provide for hasting here? Let me guess, when this happens you'll call for us to band behind you again, in order to take on the next, immediately more dangerous threat, which lets face it if they detect their friend has died don't you think they'll be more careful and BOTH come? Do you have a valid plan for that?"

"Your team forced this issue by killing my former ally. (speaking not just to Derm here btw) Despite being very aware of what that would result in. I hope you will be able to forgive me, but this kind of overt recklessness followed by a plea for help with more reckless plan.. It's annoying. It seems you are letting all of your actions and planning be ruled by the one assumption that "if we do not take large risk to kill this guy, we will miraculously die, over and over until the end of time", it's just not reasonable."

"If the "big-bad-3" were going to kill us for preparing, they would have started doing that by now. If a really long time goes by without death maybe they will step in, but they want us to kill each other so that we may reach a reap-able quantity of souls. Any consideration of any time either of these three have talked to, or even looked at an under-souled person they have treated them as no threat, weak and insignificant. As so long as they have no reason to believe we are a threat, or that we have stopped murdering each other, or preparing to murder each other for power and fun there is no reason this should change. If they "magically detect" us to be of too great of a threat they could just not come until we are of less of a threat (likely due to infighting, lets face it)."

"Also, if you want 'STEEL' I expect something in exchange. Lets mutually benefit. Just because one of your teammates has put himself in a crisis situation that's not exactly freebie material"

((Sorry guys for the wall-o-text! I tend to get this way whenever I feel like making/arguing a point. I like well reasoned, logical debate, and that tends to get wordy ))

"So your brilliant plan is to throw yourselves at them and let them kill us?  If they won't attack anyone under a certain power level, why don't we just throw that guy off a bridge and sit around building Space Lasers! and handing them out until we're all ultra powerful?"

((I more-or-less second this plan, but obviously with the minor adjustments brought up in my far too wordy wall of the words. WORDS FOR THE WORD-POST! Also throwing them off of the bridge would constitute murder, and then you would have the points, as morbid as it is, they'd have to jump by themselves, or jump into a black-hole or something. The real plan would be to immobilize/make-inert (but not kill) anyone trying to go over the point threshold until everyone is ready.))
((I will still join in if EVERYONE goes to kill Tommy-boy, team spirit woo! But still. Not a great plan, or at least not for the reasons given.))

[Dermonster]

I'd like to roll a charisma check, tomcost.

[Toaster]

Who are you trying to seduce?