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[GrizzlyAdamz]

Though there would be more armor, individual block health would be decreased & would have different strengths/weaknesses.
It's all a matter of balancing.


B-but muh depth. I wants it!
Running the core & frame blocks in a 4x4 spine, then taking offshoots of the frame every once in a while would work.
It would help if we could phase-shift between armor blocks & the two core blocks, so we don't have to peel off all the layers to make changes there.

[LoSboccacc]

well, the only thing I'd like is to see a chassis block with 5 times armor, 10x rp cost and 50x cpu of the corresponding levels blocks.

so you can actually rest your weapon on something that wont get destroyed at the first hit and you can then armor that.


also remove the damned damage propagation from weapons to the connected block.

[GrizzlyAdamz]

That's pretty much what I mean with 'framing blocks', sans the heavy RP cost. ~5 tiers of the stuff.

[LoSboccacc]

well you need to avoid uptiered people using them to troll people and keep the game fair and balanced - need some non linear penalty from armor blocks, otherwise it will just obsolete them

[GrizzlyAdamz]

RP wouldn't stop uptier-trolling. But make them worth 5x the ranking, and the 5x armor value + 5x tier ranking + 50x CPU cost would make them inferior to normal armor for uptiering in everything but space. (and if you're willing to pay 50x the CPU cost for that? Well that's your own uptiering-business)

[GrizzlyAdamz]

SMGs are hitscan, meaning there is no travel time; the laser GFX is fluff that has no bearing on where the hit goes.

As for rails, perhaps you were sliding down an incline? The guys hitting you while they're moving is luck- true spraynpray. The RNG showed them favor!

Good luck with the GC. :\

[~Neri]

Would damage go down as well?

Yeah, I think it would transfer down as well.


You guys know what I'd like to see?

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-Different armor types
---Good against different propagation styles
-Different damage propagation styles
---Crater vs drill vs AOE shock vs AOE scorch etc
-Armor-size scale-down
---More armor blocks, same space

So tanky beef tanks would have multi-layer armor that's best tackled with combined arms, or you can specialize in specific armor types. So, small vehicles would opt for all-purpose but generally weaker/limited armor & bombers would prefer anti-SMG/railgun armor.

Also, core & framing blocks.
Core functions as circuitry, and needs to be connected to powered components.
Framing is needed for armor blocks, which must be within a certain distance of intact frame.
Contiguity is important for both of these.


One last thing: in-field weapon power modulation.
The ability to slightly tune weapon damage properties, say to widen the beam for more cratering or narrow it for more drill. Or tune plasma for more shock than scorch.

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Some concepts for Armor:
-Ablative: Good against highly-piercing attacks. Has 2 colored sides to indicate its plane of damage transfer- little damage is transfered through the block, but instead to other blocks laterally. Actually magnifies damage to surrounding blocks depending on how many ablative blocks are around it- this is to prevent sprinkling a single ablative cube into a mix of other armor. Survives very little damage. 'Damage threshold' value determines if it stops the piercing damage or fails utterly- higher-tier armor increases this damage threshold.
---Intended design use is a single, deep anti-rail armor net that is quickly destroyed if the outer armor is pierced. Railguns & smgs open small holes in this stuff, AOE wrecks it.

-AOE armor: Shock is good against plasma indirect fire, Scorch is good against direct plasma hits & nano.
--Shock armor is light & absorbs AOE damage, reducing damage to other blocks around it. It also reduces AOE damage to itself depending on how many shock blocks are contacting it- AOE damage is low/spread out, so a higher off-the-top damage reduction (dmg-damage reduction) would likely effect this behavior.
---Intended design use is 2-3 blocks of mid-layer armor to protect the ablative coating underneath & scorch/hardweave above.


Scorch armor & hardweave I'm not sure about.
Scorch would preferably decrease damage from direct-hits & nano, as stated before. Hardweave would be the default to decrease cratering damage, (SMGs & some rail).
Perhaps these should be combined. I'm not sure how to decrease damage without a flat % damage reduction, (which is kinda cheesy).

I have a similar combat/construction game system I made a while back, currently fleshing it out a bit and transferring it to a computer based ruleset before I use it for a forum game~

[Rex_Nex]

I want to see treads. You put them down as individual blocks, and the texture connects together like glass, railings, etc. do in minecraft.

-Armor pool shared by the entire tread, equal to the combined armor of every connected tread block. Makes for a sort of psuedo-shield because it can cover your entire side.
-Allows the ability to turn in place
-Better traction/climbing than wheels, enough to go up steeper hills and inclines, but nothing like Walkers.
-Slowest form of movement, slightly slower than wheels, but by far the least agile.
-Most durable when spread across a lengthy side of your hull, but the entire tread is destroyed at once instead of just one of the wheels.

Having real tanks (and halftracks, should you combine them with wheels) would be pretty fun.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Here's a thought: an overloadable bubble or dome shield that projects over a certain radius.

[LoSboccacc]

Railguns and SMGs in this game just plain hate me.

People can get near 100% hits on me with an SMG continually firing or a railgun when the guy's moving. When I sit still with both and burst fire for an SMG, I end up with the fucking shots going out of the barrel at what must be a 45 degree angle or some shit.

Ha! And when I said that and even provided a video everyone looked at me like I was crazY

[Rex_Nex]

The only time I've ever seen that is when I was trying to fire somewhere my gun couldn't actually shoot at. You sure that wasn't the case?

[Thexor]

Bear in mind that railguns lose accuracy when you're moving... and that includes the gun mounts rotating. Which kinda makes sense, but it means you won't get pixel-perfect accuracy if your crosshair is in motion. Aim ahead of your targets, and wait for them to move into your reticule instead.

Also, the crosshairs are a suggestion at best; the actual shot will frequently go way outside if they aren't at the smallest. Although you probably already knew that!

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Yeah, if they aren't completely closed you can't rely on them. Just how they are now. /shrug

I was under the impression the only way to use a railgun flier now was practically landing on people & shotgunning.

[Aklyon]

I tend to only use the railgun crosshair as an indicator of stability if I can see the red dot, since my shots tend to go towards that more often than they go straight where I'm aiming.

[SHAD0Wdump]

The crosshairs aren't going to be perfect because weapons do not account for their placement, they aim in the exact direction you are, resulting in a parallel firing line to your direction of aim unless you place your weapon precisely and aim in a very specific direction.