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[LoSboccacc]

Had quite some fun with a flyer in tier 7 yesterday.

Enough point so that weapon sting, not too much that armour is invincible (for a flyer) but not soo soft you are the flying god of death.

Also, I got first eye witnessing of one aimbot, but their effectiveness is quite reduced now at range. I almost got it on video but the stream only recorded the top quarter of the screen (damn windows highdpi stuff)

All in all, felt fun again. Oh, gun beds with snail eye laser placement are still the most efficient thing on game. But a l5s railgun does over 9000 damage and it is common to cut gun beds in half.

[Girlinhat]

High powered rails are a thing of beauty.  I've got a floater/flier with a 2s rail, working on upgrading.  The big problem is that the weight of things is never listed...

Also, charged plating is coming in 2 weeks.  It's a shaped piece (not individual blocks) that can absorb damage and deplete their own shield level, able to be recharged if not shot for a time, and can be fractured into parts.  Promises to be decent defense against gunbeds, as they can weather a bit of the inaccurate fire while your rail or plasma sits between two sheets of plating and takes shots at their guns.

Apparently in a week as well, they're fixing the draw distance issues, so fliers will no longer be crippled by the absurd fog that happens when you gain altitude...

[LoSboccacc]

btw, going to level 7 is a matter of a couple lasers. even a handful of big block and a l3 radar will do. I can get to 9 easily (but then I'm useless as I have no l10 armor to contend with other l10 bots)

[Sergarr]

I think laser SMGs now have unlimited range. I can snipe people at big range and spray onto close targets. Why do I even need other weapons now?

[LoSboccacc]

Smg have lover base damage and have damage reduced by range so you can mostly deter fliers and other weak targets. W+1 works best now

[Sergarr]

Smg have lover base damage and have damage reduced by range so you can mostly deter fliers and other weak targets. W+1 works best now

But it makes flyers absolutely useless now! They don't have strong armor and the height was their only defence. And there's also a fact that they tend to lose stability after just a few shots in their direction, which makes counter-shots impossible.

[LoSboccacc]

Nah, I still enjoy my little t1 and t7 flyers.

They don't get 5 kills a match as before, but I still grt a more than 1 k/d ratio, especially on the t1.

[choppy]

just to let you guys know. a recent update has added wings to make planes with.

[Sheb]

Yeah, saw that in my mailbox. How cool are they?

[Flare]

Flying gunbeds everywhere!

[Girlinhat]

They're decent, but debatably even harder to stabilize than non-wing designs.  The thing is, they generate a LOT of lift, if you're moving even a little, so it's easy to get airborne.  It's rather difficult to maneuver and to even stay flying level, but depending on what you're doing it can be a great boon.  They can be used to tilt and pivot, but not to roll, which makes functional use somewhat difficult, you can't fly them like traditional aircraft by banking turns, but at the same time you have to do so.

I still wish they'd list the weight of all items, or the total weight of your craft, so that zero-weight floaters could be built without hours of tinkering.

More importantly the tech tree has changed.  Now all tech points are tier-locked, so if your bot is T1, you get T1 tech points, which can ONLY be used to unlock T1 goods.  If you want T2 goods, you have to upgrade your bot so that it becomes T2.  What this ULTIMATELY means is that all robots become larger by necessity.  My main bot is a T4, but I was using a T7 railgun, just one of them.  I had poor rate of fire and suitable armor, but it was balanced against the guys with several T3 plasmas.  Now though, if I want to upgrade anything, I'm forced to equip like 4-5 railguns on my craft JUST so that I can force into a higher tier and start earning tech points.  Everything becomes physically larger if you want to progress.

Also, higher-up tech points CANNOT be used on lower-down items.  If your bot is T4, but you need a T3 item, then you have to downgrade to T3.  So if you missed anything, you need to switch between various designs on various tiers.  Oh also, garage prices went up, so enjoy swapping bots!

[LoSboccacc]

I just stuck wings on my gunbed.

Doesn't really fly as it is too heavy, but can jump mountains and surprise the plasma tanks.

I also tries a proper lean and mean plane but the targeting penalty while moving makes it an exercise in frustration

[ank]

Actually, wings do provide you with roll. The default(and only) setup with wing control, is A and D controlling roll, WS throttle, SPACE and SHIFT is pitch. There is no yaw control.
(When you say pivot, you mean yaw, right?)

Anyways, it's super hard to make a plane fly straight, especially since your lift changes with your angle of attack(like it should).
But i really need some kind of ASAS system to make the plane fly straight when shooting at stuff, after I zoom out I always find myself turning in tight circles.

It is fun though! When you aren't shooting at stuff, the planes are pretty manoeuvrable, though slow.

Anybody know if you can change the control scheme? I'd really love to have pitch on WS, and throttle on space.


EDIT: And I agree we really need some meta-information on the craft, like mass, center of mass, center of lift, venter of thrust. Actually, just copy that VAB

EDIT EDIT: Also, you can earn lower lvl tech points, I just got a lvl 5 TP with a lvl 8 plane

[Girlinhat]

I think they very intentionally want to keep things vague.  I really get the impression that adding things like HUD damage indicators and minimaps was more out of social pressure than actual desire of design.  The game has, for the longest time, been freehand and loose, just slap a few wheels on and hope you don't fall over.  They seem to want to add more content, but they seem to want it to be intentionally unclear and 'more art than science'.

EDIT: I only subscribe to like 5 youtube channels, half of which are rarely updating so I want to be aware of them.  One is this guy.  He lets out videos every once in a while, but his Robocraft flying designs end up rather beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wYRtkYBck0
This is pretty much a demonstration on how aerofoils work.  This flying bomber design has been a frequent of his, designed off the AC-130, so the gun is mounted on the side, I've watched him tweak with it.  The latest edition using wings is quite impressive.

What I can tell?  First generate thrust, lots of it.  Then cripple your thrust by adding lots of drag - the more helium, the smoother it'll handle.  With your thrust fighting a lot of drag now, you add the aerofoils, to generate lift even at low speed/high weight.  The spreading helium across the wings seems to help overall stability too.

[LoSboccacc]

well I do use aerofoil without helium

makes for insanely fast plane

not that hard to control, and flies pretty level

but hitting anyone while moving is impossibiru

anyway to fly stable same thing as ksp applies: center of mass, center of lift and center of thrust should hit the magical places.