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fire emblem: waifu roulette

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fire emblem: fates except with even more weird gimmicks

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fire emblem: who even knows

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Total Members Voted: 12

[Trapezohedron]

Has anyone else noticed that Astra does not prevent critical hits? Once in an online battle I had Ryoma bring a 40+ health enemy to 0 in one round because he proc-ed Astra and then crit on all 3 hits it took to bring them down.

Astra is pretty dope with being able to strike 5 times for a net increase of x1.50 damage. I typically capitalize on Astra via adding Death Blow + Gamble for a net 30% base crit, which can get hilaribad when you also include a Killer Weapon as the weapon to be used, since killer weapons give 4x the base damage on crit instead of 3x.

But in terms of sheer utility, there's nothing I like more than Lifetaker. Given the user has around 23 defense, it's likely they will end up infinitanking everything without dying due to restoring 50% of HP. Also good as a buffer for Life and Death, which is +10 to damage dealt and taken.

Wary Fighter is also pretty fun, if you have Astra/Aether on the same table. Opponent can only strike once, but you get to strike 5/2 times (if they proc)

[SOLDIER First]

I remember an enemy once proccing Astra and then missing every hit, before getting destroyed by Lon'qu in turn. Good times.

[EnigmaticHat]

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Is it just me, or does it feel like IntSys assigned the old Advance Wars writers to FE? It feels wrong to have characters like Kaden, who has maniacal, gleeful laughter as a crit quote, and Kiragi, who giggles and cheers after he kills people be portrayed as more-or-less mentally-balanced, positive people.

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I haven't played enough of the game to know who those are, but... I feel like somewhere in early FE: Fates development there was a white board where someone wrote "moral ambiguity" in dry erase marker and circled it twice.  But the FE writers don't really know how to handle moral ambiguity so instead what we got is a game with the normal FE tropes and the heavy good/evil balance that implies, written as if it WERE morally ambiguous.

[Furtuka]

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Is it just me, or does it feel like IntSys assigned the old Advance Wars writers to FE? It feels wrong to have characters like Kaden, who has maniacal, gleeful laughter as a crit quote, and Kiragi, who giggles and cheers after he kills people be portrayed as more-or-less mentally-balanced, positive people.

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Not to stir up an argument since it's an angry issue in the fandom, but that might or might not be related to the localization, as to my understanding there's been some controversies about them making certain characters in Awakening and Fates act more wacky than in the original script. There's a rather famous example with Henry.

[Trapezohedron]

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Is it just me, or does it feel like IntSys assigned the old Advance Wars writers to FE? It feels wrong to have characters like Kaden, who has maniacal, gleeful laughter as a crit quote, and Kiragi, who giggles and cheers after he kills people be portrayed as more-or-less mentally-balanced, positive people.

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Not to stir up an argument since it's an angry issue in the fandom, but that might or might not be related to the localization, as to my understanding there's been some controversies about them making certain characters in Awakening and Fates act more wacky than in the original script. There's a rather famous example with Henry.

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IIRC, localization differences here and the JP version are minimal (not counting the entire pokemon amie feature and spas), and you can cross-reference the unofficial localization for plot details. Basically a certain C-Rank Support was changed in the localization (Saizo/Beruka), and Effie's entire character has been changed into someone emphasizing Gym workout terminologies.

Oh, and a lot of the babyrealms in particular have been translated to be non-platonic, unless you're Corrin. :/

[Neonivek]

FireEmblem to my knowledge has quite often babyfied war... sometimes to the exact same degree Advance Wars does (except... not as a joke)

It rarely actually deals with the fact that even as the victor you won pretty much on the bloody corpses of hundreds in order to live up to an ideal that might not even be worth it in the end.

In fact Fire Emblem proudly uses hero/villain double standards. Heroes use profane magic = good. Villain uses mild trickery = EVIL!!!

So yeah Hypocrisy is a fire emblem staple as well.

PS. I don't dislike Fire Emblem it is an awesome series.

[SOLDIER First]

Nintendo games rarely do

[EnigmaticHat]

Fire Emblem tells a more serious story than Advance Wars ever did, but it tends to fall into the classic trap of taking history at face value.  In this case, Fire Emblem storylines, in emulating real mostly-European history, also emulate the heavy pro-aristocracy bias inherent to recorded history from that era.  Who cares if hundreds of lower class soldiers avoidably died, as long as the right person is on the throne and the personal conflicts of the royal families have been resolved?  The stories of the faceless grunts and peasantry aren't just unimportant, its untold aside from a few aside references, kinda like how it often was in real life written history.

The notable outlier to this is the Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn storylines which begin focusing on lower class characters and struggles and only ascend into high magic/capital "e" Evil storyline in the last act.  Whereas most of the other FE games I've played have, by halfway through the game, the players as medieval lords fighting some kind of human-like magical constructs.

[JoshuaFH]

FE storylines have been severely lacking since FE4.

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I'd take Fates more seriously, if the entire premise wasn't a straight up lie. And if there were actual moral ambiguity. And if the Conquest's story wasn't garbage.

[umiman]

The more I read about this game, the less I actually want to play it.

Which is good, because I don't really want to delve into the mess of trying to find out which version is the complete 100% everything version. Every time I look into the modding community for this game I just get a headache.

I'm starting to appreciate how even though Pokemon splits their games into 2 (or 3), at least they come feature complete with no DLC or cut content.

[Tawa]

Which is good, because I don't really want to delve into the mess of trying to find out which version is the complete 100% everything version.

Nobody has the 100% everything version anymore, they got snatched up by scalpers the second the game came out :v

It's excellent gameplay wise, but the story is widely considered to be severely lacking.
Speaking of which...

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FE storylines have been severely lacking since FE4. I'd take Fates more seriously, if the entire premise wasn't a straight up lie. And if there were actual moral ambiguity. And if the Conquest's story wasn't garbage.

It irked me too how Revelations just ruined the point of choosing. It's fun from a gameplay and character standpoint--22 more levels, after all--and the interactions between some of the Hoshidan and Nohrian characters were interesting; but the entire game being set up by a "true" villainous third party is just a massive cop-out.

Apparently they used the manga writer guy's first draft of the story as the basis of the game, which I think explains a lot.

And it had such a good premise! Choosing between Arran and Samson being escalated into an entire game would've been great if not for the fact that it became choosing between Mediuth and Gotoh. And the whole thing is actually Gharnef's fault and the real ending has Mediuth and Gotoh working together to defeat Gharnef.

Heroes use profane magic

Canas's supports in Blazing Sword detail that dark elder magic isn't evil, it's just much harder to control than anima; similarly, Tharja details in Awakening that curses aren't inherently bad either, rather just something about "making dreams reality" (it's been a while since I've read those...)

Villain uses mild trickery = EVIL!!!

If the renegade prince bent on reviving a demon god you're chasing across the continent led you onto a volcano with monsters on it, you probably wouldn't think he's such a nice guy either :v

Also, minor nitpick I felt in Fates; why does everybody talk like it's the 21st century? I mean, I don't expect them to go back to Blazing Sword's antiquated, maybe-sorta-Victorian manner of speech, but it feels wrong to have everybody but Xander and Ryoma and the like speaking so... casually. Not to mention that some of the supports (cough, Kiragi's mom support) feel downright anachronistic, like either the writers or translators were told "don't mention electricity" and nothing else.

[Trapezohedron]

Casual speech bothered me since Awakening. Sumia's pies.

Now, spoilers.

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Would also not have minded Revelation if Garon was merely misguided instead of evil. Also really, really dislike the cop-out they used to ensure Azura doesn't mention Valla in the game, because Conquest and Birthright would lose plot Relevance really, really fast. Corrin has to like say I'm fighting air demons now, please believe me that's what's manipulating everyone!

And then that loses plot relevance too after Chapter 17, because everyone is trekking and running past Vallans who make up for one of the boringest enemies the series had ever seen.

I personally even think the Risen had more character than these semi-liquid Vallans.

The only plus I can think of in the game plotwise is that, Anankos did have genuine, however flimsy, intentions.

[JoshuaFH]

Casual speech bothered me since Awakening. Sumia's pies.

Now, spoilers.

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Would also not have minded Revelation if Garon was merely misguided instead of evil. Also really, really dislike the cop-out they used to ensure Azura doesn't mention Valla in the game, because Conquest and Birthright would lose plot Relevance really, really fast. Corrin has to like say I'm fighting air demons now, please believe me that's what's manipulating everyone!

And then that loses plot relevance too after Chapter 17, because everyone is trekking and running past Vallans who make up for one of the boringest enemies the series had ever seen.

I personally even think the Risen had more character than these semi-liquid Vallans.

The only plus I can think of in the game plotwise is that, Anankos did have genuine, however flimsy, intentions.

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Yeah, when Azura mentioned the Vallan Curse that prevents her from speaking about it, I thought the big reveal was going to be that Azura was the big bad all along, because goddamn does that curse bullshit just sound like a straight up fuckin lie. Like, it sounds like something she made up on the spot to stop the actual two sides from discovering a plot that would have all the major characters turning on *her*. Honestly kinda disappointed when it turns out "Nope there was a legit curse and I wasn't making it up and there's an unambiguously evil dragon god manipulating everyone for poorly justified reasons."

[Neonivek]

I am still waiting for a Fire Emblem Prequel.

Honestly the past seems so much more interesting then the present. They hype it up so much in the series, yet they never go there.

I wanna see Lopt!

[SOLDIER First]

Play Rekka no Ken.