Topic: The Mandate Turn 5 (Read 9593 times)

Ghazkull · « **Reply #75 on:** January 16, 2014, 03:46:51 pm »

Turn 2

...The Spokesperson of the Terran Senate Frederik Petersson had this to say: "Indeed the Emergency Government has stepped down as of this Hour. Senator Ackerman has sworn the Mandate Oath and is now officially inaugurated. Rumours that new Colonies have been discovered are of course false. As of this point we know nothing of any Colonizable Planets..."
We interrupt this interview for a Special Announcement. For the alst three months the Huge amounts of new Immigrants have caused Food Shortages for both New Arrivals and Native Martian Population. This Morning Major Riots broke out in the Major Cities of Mars, mostly by Natives fed up with ever more Immigrants landing. Martian Police is currently trying to get the situation under control...I...*the anchormen gets some new papers and new directions through an earbud*...apparently we just recieved news that riots have turned violent and caused up to this moment at least 70 fatalities... Several major Martian Cities have enacted Martial Law to deal with the rioters...

- CNN News-Report

The Senate Chamber was tense. While the Representatives where all there, the equilibrium of power had changed and rested now on the Senators of Terra and Mars. The Chancellor took the lectern with grave importance.

"Ladies, Gentlemen. As of this moment we have recieved answers from our Exploration Fleets. The Amerigo returned empty-handed, it found nothing. The Columbus discovered the Prometheus System which you will see in a moment remains out of reach for us. However, the Erik sent good news. A colonizable Planet has been found in the Thorin Gamma System. Here is the updated map of the Mandate Space:

Spoiler: Updated Map of Systems (click to show/hide)

Furthermore the Following Motions have been voted upon:

1.The Constitution of the Terran Senate

4th Paragraph: Homeless Senator Act Passed with 10 For, 6 Against, 2 Abstain

4§ Representatives may be raised up to the rank of Mandatless Senator via Senate Vote.
4.1. A Mandatless Senator has 1 Vote
4.2. There may be never more than seven Mandatless Senators Passed with 15 For, 1 Against, 2 Abstain
4.3. A Mandatless Senator can be dropped via Senate Vote Passed with 15 For, 1 Against, 2 Abstain

5th Paragraph: The Navy Act Passed with 10 For, 6 Against, 2 Abstain

5§ A Representative or Senator of the Mandate may be granted the Admirality of the Senate Fleet via Senate Vote.
5.1. The Admiral of the Senate Fleet is responsible for maintenance, manufacture and operation of the Senate Fleet. Within a set Budget agreed upon by the Senate.
5.2. Major Military Operations need to be authorized by at least three Senators.
5.3. The Terran Admiral can be replaced by Senatorial Vote

6th Paragraph: The Ministry of SciencePassed with 11 For, 5 Against, 2 Abstain

6§ The Minister of Science is elected by the Senate
5.1. The MoS handles the Research of all Terran Colonies, within a set budget agreed upon by the senate.
5.2. Local Governors may still invest into Research as they see fit.
5.3. The MoS can be replaced by Senatorial Vote

Colonial Development Acts

Paragraph 4: The Migration Reduction Act Not Passed with 13 Against, 3 For, 2 Abstain

§4 A Fee of 1 Credit per 50.000 Migrants is enforced to migrate onto Mars

Paragraph 5: The Luxury Freetrade Act Passed with 15 For 1 Against, 2 Abstains -> Goes actually into Government Orders...oh well

§5 Earth exports Terran Liquor and Prime Timber to Mars.

Terran Emergency Goverment Orders

Investments into Social Research Passed with 9 For, 6 Against, 3 Abstain
40.000 Credits Cost

Investments into Civic ResearchPassed with 9 For, 6 Against, 3 Abstain
5.000 Credits Cost

Senate Projects

The Mars Star Wars Project Not Passed with 1 For, 14 Against, 3 Abstain

Establishment of Several Orbital Defense Stations around Mars

Pressing Issues:
Colonization of The Thorin Gamma System
Earth's Overpopulation.
Vote on the Admiral of the Senate Navy
Vote on the Minister of Science
Budget of the Senate Navy
Budget of the Ministry of Science
Stipends for Representatives
Stipends for Mandatless Senators
Martian Riots
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2 New Systems have been discovered
The Terran and the Marsian Senator have been elected
The 7 Senators without Mandates have been voted upon
The Terran Emergency Government has been dissolved
Food Riots on Mars

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Current Senate

Special Postings

Senators
Senator of Terra F. Ackerman - 5 Votes (Azthor)
Senator of Mars Arthur Granger - 5 Votes (Ardas)
Senator w/o Mandate Admiral Thrix Neumberg - 1 Votes (adwarf)
Senator w/o Mandate Robert Farnham - 1 Votes (ebbor)
Senator w/o Mandate Abd-al-Karim Ibrahim - 1 Votes (detoxicated)
Senator w/o Mandate Jerimus Machinas - 1 Votes (giglamesh)
Senator w/o Mandate Johnathan Doe - 1 Votes (Playergamer)
Senator w/o Mandate James H. Grey - 1 Votes (Shootandrun)
Senator w/o Mandate Pieter Huygens - 1 Votes (Proto 105)

Representatives
Pope John Paul III -0 Votes (UkrainianRanger)

Constitution of the Terran Republic

1§ All Humans are free and equal
1.1. Slavery of any Human Being is illegal
2§ Civilian Spacecrafts may not be under any circumstance attacked
3§ Use and Production of any and all WMDs is forbidden
3.1. Development, Production, Transport of (potential) WMD's requires Senate permission.
4§ Representatives may be raised up to the rank of Mandatless Senator via Senate Vote.
4.1. A Mandatless Senator has 1 Vote
4.2. There may be never more than seven Mandatless Senators
4.3. A Mandatless Senator can be dropped via Senate Vote
5§ A Representative or Senator of the Mandate may be granted the Admirality of the Senate Fleet via Senate Vote.
5.1. The Admiral of the Senate Fleet is responsible for maintenance, manufacture and operation of the Senate Fleet. Within a set Budget agreed upon by the Senate.
5.2. Major Military Operations need to be authorized by at least three Senators.
5.3. The Terran Admiral can be replaced by Senatorial Vote
6§ The Minister of Science is elected by the Senate
6.1. The MoS handles the Research of all Terran Colonies, within a set budget agreed upon by the senate.
6.2. Local Governors may still invest into Research as they see fit.
6.3. The MoS can be replaced by Senatorial Vote

Edicts of the Senate

Colonial Development Act
1§ The First 10.000 Credits in Colonial Income will not be taxed by the Republic
2§ A further 10.000 Credits will go untaxed if a Colony manages to expand its industry (Colonial Income) by one fifth before each tax session.

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Senate Assets

Spoiler: Senate Assets (click to show/hide)

Assets of Senator Ackerman

Spoiler: Senator Ackerman Assets (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Terra (click to show/hide)

Senator Granger Assets

Spoiler: Senator Granger Assets (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Mars (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Map of Known Systems (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Unlocked Research (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Units and Infrastructure (click to show/hide)

Ardas · « **Reply #76 on:** January 16, 2014, 04:28:55 pm »

Martian Senator Granger just recently arrived back from Mars City, having settled in the administrative residence there. As usual, he was first to speak up.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, in face of the mounting pressures on Mars, in order to prevent wild growth and social unrest, I propose the following:

~~1. Centralization of Martian, Terran and Senate treasuries under one Republic Treasury unit.~~

2. Shifting of 7.000 credits to Mars as a measure to prevent unrest and start proper construction of infrastructure.

The following proposals relate to the matters of Ministries and exploration:

3. A secret vote for the new posts of Admiralty and Ministry of Science to be taken. These posts are vital for our development.

4. For one colonization ship to be constructed and immediately sent to the new habitable world in Thorin Gamma.

5. for Thorin Gamma sector to be named according with standard astrographic system after its primary star as Centauri system.

5. For research regarding colonization of Jovian moons and Venus to be identified and researched.

Thank you for your time.

Orders for Mars:
876 Credits to be shifted for civic investment.

adwarf · « **Reply #77 on:** January 16, 2014, 06:02:04 pm »

Thrix was second to speak before the Senate, he had spent a lot of time preparing a basic outline of how the Mandate's Navy should be and now it was time to put it forth to fight its way to victory or flounder and die.

"As the current sole candidate for position as Admiral of the Senate Navy I would like to put forth a basic outline for how such a Navy would operate and push the subject to the forefront so we can finally decide who is to arise as Admiral.

First, I would like to propose a minimum budget of 3,000 credits be given to the Navy per session until such a time as three colonies have managed to advance to such a point that they produce a sizable amount of exports and tax. When such a time comes around where three colonies reach that point the budget should be raised to 5,000 to 10,000 credits to be determined when it becomes relevant.

Secondly, the Navy is to have a certain level of autonomy, able to act outside of the Senate's orders without fear of punishment under the circumstances that the Mandate Fleet is to act solely as a defensive and peacekeeping organization. To commit acts of war, and such would require a majority vote from the Senate confirming the need for action from the Navy.

Finally, so as to best facilitate, and create an effective organization I propose that the Navy be given control of a future colony to act as both a central staging point, and a center of production for naval warships and colony ships of all sizes."

GiglameshDespair · « **Reply #78 on:** January 16, 2014, 07:19:13 pm »

"The navy does not need a colony. Earth is the central staging point, and rightly so. A colony would allow the navy to operate independently of senate and Earth - it would have the power to become a rogue state if it - or it's admiral - disagreed with our decision. So far, we have met no extraterrestial life nor do we have internal dissidents. A large navy is currently unnecessary compared to expanded beyond our overcrowded worlds. I therefore suggest the navy is never allowed to control a world to prevent any future coup d'etats.

We should focus on our system before we colonise others. It is closer to send people, resources and other supplies back and forth. If for some unforeseen reason there was an attack they are closer to defend. Despite any difficulty, I believe it best to focus all our resources within system for the time being."

Azthor · « **Reply #79 on:** January 17, 2014, 10:18:56 am »

"On that account, Senator Thrix, note that all senators, representative or otherwise, were considered for the two Ministries. A Ministry is, first and foremost, an executive position. Though the chosen are free to reject their appointment, in truth, any citizen of the Federation was eligible for the positions".

"Senators, as you were so wise as to ignore my insistence in that we invest in new forms of terraforming, we currently have no option to but to expand to other systems. Martian infrastructure is, quite clearly, unable to cope with sustained migration for more than another term. We need a escape valve, our we will have a resource crisis in our hands"

"More importantly, we need to commit ourselves to finding further systems or expanding and terraforming capacity and civic infrastructure, now, not tomorrow, not come next term. Even now Terran's citizens threaten to riot, such is the overpopulation, and Martian colonists are already starving".

"There is no such an option as to rely solely on Sol, Senator"

"Finally, to unite all treasures into a single treasury is ultimately indifferentiable from levying a 100% tax on all planets of the Federation. To approve such a motion would curb any measure of autonomy in the Federation's would be colonies, and take the administrative role out of the reach of individual Senators. Even worse, in doing so, it'd be a direct violation of section 2, paragraph 6 of the Terran Constitution.

10ebbor10 · « **Reply #80 on:** January 17, 2014, 04:46:03 pm »

At the moment, I'm generally opposed to the proposal to unite all treasuries into 1 central Treasury. Additionally, the proposal is rather unclear. Do you propose merging the entire administration into one Republican commission, or do you merely intend to merge the treasuries. (Ie, all unspent money into one common pot).

On another note, It's clear that Mars can't deal with the flood of immigrants, which are way above our initial expectations. As such, I approve of the notion to commit additional funds to the Martian infrastructure, while Senator Granger and Senator Ackerman can settle the immigration question between themselves. Initiatives on both sides need to taken to handle this crisis.

However, I must urge people not to start the colonization of the Thorin Gamma system to early. At this point, only very little is known about the planet, and very little studies have been done. Planting down a massive colony would be a major set back for science, and would be wildly irresponsible. The Martian colonies had the majority of the last century to prepare for colonization, and still many unexpected problems have arisen. We should observe before we send the ships. Both the situation on Mars, and the one Earth can be solved without an extraterrestrial colony.

Now, I believe that for proper operation, both the Science Ministry and the Navy, should get their own independent treasury in addition to their budget. Additionally, I'm of the opinion that both offices should include voting powers within the Senate. It's very important that these institutions have a certain amount of independence in order to function properly. Admiral Thrix has already voiced his opinion on the needs of the Navy, and I will now offer mine on the needs of the Republic's primary Scientific Investment institution.

I propose that we provide the Scientific Ministry with a starting budget of 30 000 credits, and a cyclical budget of 10 000 credits. It can use this money to invest in various projects, but also, in order to allow the institution to operate more efficiently and independently loan money to planetary governments at very affordable rates, where it will then be invested in local infrastructure.

Lastly, I would like to promote my candidacy for Minister of Science.

Spoiler: Proposals so far (click to show/hide)

Ghazkull · « **Reply #81 on:** January 20, 2014, 04:05:48 pm »

Any other suggestions? Opinions? Amendments? Motions?

Ardas · « **Reply #82 on:** January 23, 2014, 05:58:25 am »

Guys, seriously, get on with proposals and ideas! Lets move this thing along!

10ebbor10 · « **Reply #83 on:** January 23, 2014, 06:46:58 am »

((Perhaps we should PM players. Quite a few players could erroneously assume this to be death after said brief spot of technological trouble))

The overpopulation of Earth and the situation on Earth remain troubling. Both Earth and Mars don't have the capacity to sustain growth at this rate, and I consider the rapid colonization of extra-solar system unwise. Troubles could rapidly arise, and there're many things that otherwise could go wrong. Meanwhile, colonization of other planets in the sol system doesn't appear to be possible for the coming years. Living in space, while possible remains problematic, and save for the human transportation industry, space based transportation remains small.

What the people need is an image, a project in which they can believe. And idea that brings hope, and prosperity. I therefore propose that we construct a flagship orbital habit, capable of serving as central hub for production, habitation and zero-gravity research within the solar system. It's an effort that might take years, and will cost a small fortune, but it will undoubtly benefit our republic. The Torus Aeternal (tentative name) has an estimated cost of 30 000 credits for it's first stage, in which the structural frame work, the first habitation modules, and part of the production installations are constructed. In addition, I propose that roughly 20 000 credits will be invested in structural projects associated with the project, in order to ensure a proper industrial base.

Of course, location is still important. Terra's industrial basis gives it a great benefit for constructing the more advanced parts project, but Mars's thinner athmosphere and lower gravity makes it far easier to bring the parts into orbit. Additionally, it also has a significant amount of resources.

Spoiler: Proposals so far (click to show/hide)

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Ardas · « **Reply #84 on:** January 23, 2014, 08:29:29 am »

((Call it Elysium while you're at it, why don't you

))

10ebbor10 · « **Reply #85 on:** January 23, 2014, 09:07:14 am »

((Actually, it isn't inspired the by the movie at all. Never seen it actually.

It's taken straight, name included, from some other game.))

GiglameshDespair · « **Reply #86 on:** January 23, 2014, 09:35:16 am »

"The tree needs strong roots as it grows, or the gale blows it down. This orbital colony sounds like a fine idea, and will provide information on other potiential space-borne colonies."

Ghazkull · « **Reply #87 on:** January 23, 2014, 03:46:05 pm »

((Although i'm very adverse to a Space Colony, since it would make the whole game more complex then necessary, i will allow this Space Station and ONLY this space station as a Senate Project. And believe me to make the thing big enough to sustain a sizable population it will be ridiculously expensive( after all ISS with a population of 6 cost a whopping 100 billion and is not self-sustainable...i leave it to your imagination what a station as you envision it will cost). After all you want to create a station that houses hundreds of millions of people. Imagine the space such a construction takes up)).

Votes Upon the Postings of Admiral of the Senate and Minister of Science

Since no candidate except for Admiral Thrix Neumberg has been submitted, both votes will be open. Any candidate can be nominated and voted upon in the usual secret manner.
(You Lazy bastards...)

Please also Vote upon the following Motions:

1.Constitution of the Terran Senate

Paragraph 7: The United Treasury Act
7§ The Treasuries of the Colonies are centralized in the Senate
7.1. All Withdrawals from the Treasury have to be approved by the Senate

Ministry Orders and Charters

Direct Orders for the Terran Navy
A. Construction of One Colonization Ship with Target Thorin Gamma

Direct Orders for the Ministry of Science
B. For research regarding colonization of Jovian moons and Venus to be identified and researched.

1. Navy Budget
1.1. Initial Budget of 3000 Credits/cycle
1.2. Plus 1000 Credits per New Colony
1.3. at a Maximum of 10.000 Credits/cycle

2. Navy Autonomy
2.1. Guaranteed navy Autonomy from the State for a peacekeeping and Defensive Program.
2.2. Acts of War need Senate authorization
2.3. Dedicated Navy Autonomy

3.Ministry of Science Budget
3.1. Initial budget of 30.000 Credits
3.2. Budget of 10.000 Credits/cycle
3.3. Right to grant Research Loans to local Colonies.

Senate Orders
1. Shifting of 7.000 credits to Mars as a measure to prevent unrest and start proper construction of infrastructure.
2. Rename Thorin Gamma to Centauri

Senate Project
1. Torus Eternal Space Colony
1a. 20.000 Credits Investment into Infrastructure
1b. 30.000 Credits Investment into First Orbital Sections

10ebbor10 · « **Reply #88 on:** January 23, 2014, 04:01:52 pm »

((I proposed my candidacy for the ministry of science.

And truly, I expect it to be expensive. I merely tried to start a discussion. Though well, most of a space stations cost is launch cost. Considering we can apparently afford to launch almost a billion people/ year into space without significant drain on the economy. ((Though we will probably have to deal with it next turn)). But without knowing the value of the credit, it's hard to make assumptions.))

Spoiler: Calculations (click to show/hide)

Note: Just a question. When we researched social tech, Earth's Development Index went up by 1, rather than the 2 that was in the research stats. Is 12 the cap, or am I confused somewhere. Or is there some other mistake in play.

Ghazkull · « **Reply #89 on:** January 30, 2014, 09:09:10 am »

(( you already ggot the +1 DI from Tech Level 1, so if you research Social Tech 2 you dont get another +2 but only +1.

In other words Tech 2 adds +1DI , Tech 3 adds another +1DI and so on.

Concerning Admiralty and MOS: you have to specifically nominate yourself in the PMs or officially in BOLDED script so that i dont have to sift through everything and look for vague hints that you want to become Admiral.

On a side Note if nobody takes a post i will officially ban it.
Another note unification of Treasuries basically makes Planetary Governors useless so their votes will be reduced to 1.))

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