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Aramara Meibi

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royal jelly is a royal pain
« on: December 25, 2013, 10:53:01 am »

how can i promote its consumption? it's clogging up my stockpiles and using up all my jugs
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Kirkegaard

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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 11:58:41 am »

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Royal_jelly

The only way to consume is, to using it in the cooking process. So maybe force a kitchen to only take form the stockpile with the jelly?
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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 02:05:39 pm »

Probably it's in your Finished Goods stockpile (it is considered a "tool") and that's why your Cooks aren't cooking it? This is a known bug, the workaround is simply stockpile management.
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Aramara Meibi

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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 09:39:26 am »

yes it is in my 'tools' stockpiles as well as food, and i've tried to work around that, but i've realized it's stored in such stockpiles because it's stored in jugs, and jugs are tools. looks like the only way dwarves will cook with it is if i single it out as the only cookable item in the kitchens menu. royal jelly stew anyone?
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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2013, 12:00:54 pm »

Managers screen and dump all royal jelly. Watch it decay or smash it with bridge!

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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2013, 03:34:35 pm »

yes it is in my 'tools' stockpiles as well as food, and i've tried to work around that, but i've realized it's stored in such stockpiles because it's stored in jugs, and jugs are tools.

That's easily solved by simply not allowing tools in stockpiles. What's the point anyway? - "Tools" are nest boxes, hives, jugs and honeycombs. Having them stored in stockpiles, especially inside bins, is massively counter-productive: saves next to no space and messes up the building of nest boxes and hives as well as pressing jobs.

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looks like the only way dwarves will cook with it is if i single it out as the only cookable item in the kitchens menu. royal jelly stew anyone?

Doesn't work. Royal jelly is a "liquid" food item. Any cooking job requires at least one "solid" item in the meal. You'll have to allow some solid stuff (flour and milled sugar work well), stored in a separate, moderately far-away stockpile _stored outside of barrels_. Solid ingredients stored in barrels (and for some reason seeds) have absolute priority over solids outside of barrels and liquids.

Currently, beekeeping is basically just another little challenge/role-play element. It's bugged and fiddly and the returns are laughable.
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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 04:02:34 pm »

yes i've noticed sugar and flours hardly if ever get used in the kitchens, although quarry bush leaves in bags in barrels are a hot item on the menu. most of dwarven cuisine in my experience is some sort of mush made from minced quarry bush leaves, llama tallow, and alpaca brains. it's taken me a significant amount of finagling just to get the random plump helmet or strawberry mixed into the slop.

as a side note, i've noticed honey or jelly won't be stored in a food stockpile at all unless bins are allowed. even if i ban such materials from other stockpiles, they'll be stored there because of the material the jug is made from.

maybe i'll just trade it all away, but somehow that's not as satisfying as my dwarves eating it. i just hope it super boosts their immune systems.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 06:17:34 am »

yes i've noticed sugar and flours hardly if ever get used in the kitchens, although quarry bush leaves in bags in barrels are a hot item on the menu. most of dwarven cuisine in my experience is some sort of mush made from minced quarry bush leaves, llama tallow, and alpaca brains. it's taken me a significant amount of finagling just to get the random plump helmet or strawberry mixed into the slop.

as a side note, i've noticed honey or jelly won't be stored in a food stockpile at all unless bins are allowed. even if i ban such materials from other stockpiles, they'll be stored there because of the material the jug is made from.

maybe i'll just trade it all away, but somehow that's not as satisfying as my dwarves eating it. i just hope it super boosts their immune systems.
You could force your kitchen to use certain ingredients if you are willing to do a little micromanagement. Simply create a dedicated stockpile for each item you want to cook, and then set them to give to your kitchens and take from the main food stockpile. As long as your kitchen has exactly 2/3/4 ingredients available for easy/fine/lavish meals respectively, it will be forced to use all of them.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2013, 09:58:15 am »

That's what I ended up doing for my grand ambition to feed a fort entirely on Rock-Nut Paste/Oil biscuits.  I needed tool stockpiles feeding directly into kitchens that take only from links, preventing jugs from being accepted anywhere, and a press overflowing with replacement oil-jugs nearby to minimize the kitchen's order-cancelling due to exhausting its stockpiles.
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Re: royal jelly is a royal pain
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2013, 10:04:35 am »

I do similar; I make two stockpiles: a one-tile, no-barrels stockpile for rock nut press cakes, and a larger stockpile for rock nut oil/royal jelly. The nearby kitchen is set up to take only from those two stockpiles. Works fine. (Occasionally I will get a biscuit with 2 rock nut press cakes if the haulers are very fast in replenishing the stockpile.)
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 06:53:11 am »

Try setting up something like this. If you make sure each of the four lines are different, take care not to use barrels (except for liquids) and avoid quarry bush leaves, you'll get variety in most of your meals.

If you want to use leaves too, add a fifth stockpile that is one-tile large for holding those. That way, your cook can only grab one QBL stack at a time.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 05:38:07 pm »

Although this isn't the most helpful, I find that beekeeping is too buggy to use, and fairly useless anyways. I'd suggest leaving it alone until it gets tweaked.
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