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[Syndic]

So, some goblins visited me and brought cave crocodiles for riding. Now I like cave crocs and had no luck grabbing any in the caverns so far, so I'd love to breed them - but...

- Invader mounts stay hostile to dwarves even after taming, and animals become trapavoid once tamed. Also, killing a tame creature might cause loyalty cascades (?). So taming them seems like a poor idea
- Wild animals don't claim nest boxes anymore (I think?), so I can't just drop them into a sealed-off chamber with a nest box. Not even ignoring the fact that any offspring would be eaten by the parents due to being of a different faction

Am I missing anything? Or are these poor crocs really useless to me other than as a one-time food source?

[Duuvian]

I could be wrong, but if they function the same as wild animals who've killed a fortress entity, you could keep them in cages and train them. It will result in many more pauses though, as the game pauses when it reverts to wild and they are trained only when fully wild when in a cage unless my trainer dwarf was really lazy.

The benefit is it will increase the dwarves' familiarity with the species. I've tried breeding Ostriches through this method with wild Ostriches I previously caught, but before the eggs hatched the Ostrich female lost it's tame status and seemed to lose interest in it's eggs. It's now awaiting execution behind the floodgate I put it behind, once I'm sufficiently sure my dwarves will be armored well enough to take it down with no injuries.

[aiseant]

I confirm taming ennemy pet then killing them will cause loyalty cascade.  Even after they reverted to wild state. I did have some !fun! with this one ><
However, I do think wild animal can claim nest box

If you want, you can tame them, breed some and throw parents in a death pit once egg hatched. No loyalty cascade this way.

[Syndic]

hmm, that might just work. thanks for the tip

[Garath]

please don't


Invader mounts can be trained/tamed once, and only once, after which they disappear off your animal list. They will revert to wild status eventually and can't be retrained, but gain all the benefits of having been part of your fort: loyalty cascade if you kill them with soldiers and immunity to traps (not to lever or otherwise triggered upright spikes though), plus they remain an enemy iirc so instead of running away and hopefully off the map, they'll attack your dorfs.

[Syndic]

They disappear from the list? uhoh! they do!

Glad I this thing is still in that cage. I'll have to build a perforating chamber for it... and think about the others.

I could build a nestbox behind a path that perforates the croc if it turns fully hostile (or is done breeding), but how would I keep it from killing the young once they hatch...

[Garath]

chain it on a restraint within reach of the nestbox and pray the eggs hatch before it reverts or it'll destroy the nestbox instead, or at least not finish the whole process

[Raphite1]

Invader mounts can be trained/tamed once, and only once, after which they disappear off your animal list.

I've been able to get a wild jabberer back on the list after I tamed it, and it reverted while on a chain and dropped off the list. I got in into a cage somehow, at which point it reappeared on the Animals list - I don't remember exactly how; I think I assigned it to a pasture, but a dwarf came and up it into a cage instead. Or maybe I assigned it to a built cage? Frustrating that I can't remember exactly, but it's possible.

NOT SURE whether this would work for a tamed invader, potentially giving you multiple chances to have it successfully incubate a clutch of eggs before reverting. The jabberer in question may have been named after killing a dwarf while still wild.

[Grim Portent]

I think that to rear an invaders young you just need to chain it up near a nest box, it'll lay eggs when applicable and won't attack it's young due to the chain, but you will need cages to catch the young afterwards.

[Sutremaine]

I think I assigned it to a pasture, but a dwarf came and up it into a cage instead. Or maybe I assigned it to a built cage? Frustrating that I can't remember exactly, but it's possible.

If you unassign a wild animal from a chain, a dwarf will put it in a cage. Not sure if that applies to captured mounts.

[Garath]

I think that to rear an invaders young you just need to chain it up near a nest box, it'll lay eggs when applicable and won't attack it's young due to the chain, but you will need cages to catch the young afterwards.

wild animals won't use your nestboxes and invader mounts can't be tamed more than that first time. Enough to drag them to the butcher, not enough to hatch eggs usually, unless your civ is already familiar with training them and you manage to get it to a very high tame level in that one shot. Once it reverts to wild, the eggs won't hatch and it won't lay new eggs. It may even destroy the nestbox.

[Syndic]

I'll try the "hope to get a good training quality the first time around" method... I have a few crocs to experiment with, and since they're only buildingdestroyer 1 they shouldn't be too hard to keep contained

[Sutremaine]

Dwarf Therapist has served me well when looking for a dwarf to pick out as an animal trainer.

I'd estimate that +training+ would be enough to get one clutch of eggs hatched, but keep us posted.

[Garath]

note that without having any knowledge about the animal in your fort, or just a little, having a skilled trainer becomes very important, so you might train one up a bit before you start on the crocs

[Raphite1]

I think I assigned it to a pasture, but a dwarf came and up it into a cage instead. Or maybe I assigned it to a built cage? Frustrating that I can't remember exactly, but it's possible.

If you unassign a wild animal from a chain, a dwarf will put it in a cage. Not sure if that applies to captured mounts.

Ah yes, I believe that was it.

However it is that I got there, the bottom line is that a reverted animal that disappeared from the Animals list ended up in a cage and back on the list, and was able to be tamed again.