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Teenage depression or something like that
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:35:09 pm »

Greetings, ladies, gentlemen and officers of the royal navy.

I have recently encountered a problem I never imagined I would have: I, somehow, believe that my life does not have enough suffering. Perhaps it's the dearth of non-depressing fiction in my life, perhaps it's the result of the mass media accentuating the negative, perhaps it is just the changing hormone levels, but for some reason I have been pervasivly thinking that everything in the world is bad and only going to become worse. People suffer, genocides happen, nobody but ruthless individualists thrive, good does not exist, decent people are mythological creatures, rulers who are not power-hungry incompetent mass murderers are also mythological creatures, the modern world in general is a hellhole and the only thing that prevents it from becoming everybody's favourite grim darkness of the far future is the fact that God has not tried to physically kill us, yet.

Now, this would not be a problem if it did not cause me to feel what I can only describe as survivor guilt. Despite the fact that I've been living in Russia with all the glorious suffering it's supposed to put on its people according to the classical literature, my life, so far, has been quite normal. And herein lies the issue: I cannot help but feel intensely guilty for not suffering while all those people did. Whenever I read, or even remember, about the various injustices throughout history, I feel not only empathetic with all those involved, but also intensely shameful that I did not go through the same pains. How can I be so happy, enjoying the warm sun, for example, while another man of my age is being brutally tortured to death after being captured by the members of a violent rebellion? Every time I buy a new pair of socks I can't help but think of the people who slaved in sweatshops to make them and the crushed dreams of the art students who are forced to stang behind the counter and sell me the damn things.

I sought to seek refuge in fiction, but alas, I couldn't help but be revolted by everything but the most depressing stories. Anything that does not involve the characters repeatedly failing at everything and then gruesomely dying gets condemned by my mind as "childish" and "unrealistic", while I suckle at tragedies such as "The Lord of Flies" with pervertedly masochistic abandon. Relishing in emotional scars of fictional people, however, did nothing to alleviate my grim worldview and only, as expected, worsened the condition.

Recently, I have found it difficult to believe that any goodness in anything, be it people or ideas, has any chance of existing, and that it is an inevitable course of action that the worst triumphs in the end: no struggle between a man and his circumstances can end with anything but more suffering than there was beforehand, and if said man becomes better off, than it is only because he has made others suffer in his stead. Beyond the obvious consequences of encouraging suicidal thoughts and inaction, this mindset has caused me to begin losing hope of everything being alright in the end, my only refuge from the aforementioned pseudo-survivor guilt, and thus exist in a self-recreating whirlpool of feeling woefully under-suffering and criminally happy.

It was only logical, therefore, that I would eventually resort to self-harm. I am writing this message a day one of my roommates has stopped me from carving gashes into my arm with a modeling knife in a particularly strong guilt delirium I entered after reading a newspaper article about another revolution in Africa turning out to be meaningless. I, obviously, do not wish for this behaviour to become my norm, after all, how am I going to finish my new Warmachine army if I keep breaking those expensive knives in my fingerbones, but I have realised that I have driven myself into a metaphysical corner with all the cynicism I have accumulated so far.

With that in mind, I am asking you to hopefully help me stop considering self-mutilation as a respectable afternoon activity.



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Re: Teenage depression or something like that
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 05:26:56 am »

Ah a fellow cynical soul! I can relate, albeit not with the whole cutting thing wich I've never done.

On your depressing world view, I won't try to convince you of another outlook. In fact I'd say you have the right idea of things. Socio economically speaking when one person profits, another suffers. Taking advantage of everything and everyone is business as usual, all soly for personal gain. The powerful feverishly cling to their power and seek assimilate more of it, seeking to control and own everything their power allows. It truly is a dog eat dog world.

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Recently, I have found it difficult to believe that any goodness in anything, be it people or ideas, has any chance of existing, and that it is an inevitable course of action that the worst triumphs in the end: no struggle between a man and his circumstances can end with anything but more suffering than there was beforehand, and if said man becomes better off, than it is only because he has made others suffer in his stead.
I must disagree here. It is possible for a person, through their actions, to improve things for themself and/or others without taking advantage of another. It's just that it is more advantageous to cut corners and cause suffering for others. Not impossible, just not the most effective way to play the game.

About the self harm bit here's my advice. I'm not going to tell you to not feel guilty, even though you really shouldn't. Well at least not in the magnitude as you are. It's a big world, and all its troubles are not yours. That isn't to say they aren't partly yours, as a moral human being.
Anyway, just feeling guilty does not help in any way. Neither does harming yourself as you are. Not to say punishment is futile, just fruitless and in your case really not necesary. If you truly feel guilty for living a favorable life then act on it and work to improve conditions for those less favorable. I'm sure there's plenty of volunteer work you could do, even close to home. Be the change you think is needed and all that.
And even if you chose not to, at the very least stop punishing yourself. There is no point to it, no one will be thankful for the suffering you endure you deem you deserve. You do not deserve it, you did not chose your life or anyone elses, you can however chose on how to act on it.
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Re: Teenage depression or something like that
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 05:33:10 am »

Ah, thank you, but I would, in fact, like to stop being so cynical. It's quite hard to live that way.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 05:40:27 am »

Can't help there I'm afraid, it wouldn't be right to try and convince you of something I do not believe myself. Again though would like to stress on not dwelling on the negative and instead being a force of the positive, if you continue to feel guilty.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 04:55:09 am »

I don't post here a lot. Frankly, I used to, and (several) descents into madness has stopped this. However, I seem to be encountering another trip like this. Maybe, I can help you? Helping others has always made me happy. Maybe it will if I can do it for you. However, likely to be a small wall of text and some personal experiences. I'll probably end up making my own thread, but hey, let me relate with what I can. Spoiler below.
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Re: Teenage depression or something like that
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 04:59:34 pm »

Serious question.  When's the last time you did something good for another person with no expectation of gaining from it?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2013, 11:07:15 am »

Ah, thank you, but I would, in fact, like to stop being so cynical. It's quite hard to live that way.
Keep at it.  Eventually it gives way to apathy and that's much easier to live with.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2013, 01:53:03 pm »

I recommend a good therapist, especially if you're at the point where you are considering to hurt yourself.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2014, 06:33:12 pm »

Have you ever read G.K. Chesterton? I recommend Orthodoxy. It deals with optimists and pessimists, the inherent goodness or evil of man, and everything else. Or, really, just find some Chesterton and latch on tight. You're seeing the world through the entirely wrong lens, and I think the "Apostle of Common Sense" will be helpful to you.

P.S. Are you religious? 
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2014, 07:18:36 pm »

Ah, thank you, but I would, in fact, like to stop being so cynical. It's quite hard to live that way.
Keep at it.  Eventually it gives way to apathy and that's much easier to live with.
Apathy was so hellish to me that I had to start getting irrationally obsessed with things in order to care about anything at all.

Each to their own? :P
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2014, 08:14:02 pm »

Well if you're in Russia, mocking Putin in public should bring all the pain you'll ever need in your life.

↑ this advice is terrible. Don't follow it.

But seriously, trying to do the right thing clumsily won't do any good, believe me. And very few peoples give a shit about you anyway.

I think that your problem is that, if I belive my own experience, teenager overestimate both their relevance and abilities by a lot. A HUGE lot.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 04:48:01 am »

Serious question.  When's the last time you did something good for another person with no expectation of gaining from it?
This. When you see others suffer much more than you,you will be grateful you're not in their situation,and your problem seems quite lightened.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2014, 08:20:12 am »

As someone who used to take part in a good amount of self-harm, I can try out some advice.

You might be surprised what a good therapist can do for you.

If you're not willing to try that, I recommend a few things.  Take up a constructive hobby of some kind.  When I was a teenager, writing was a helpful outlet.  Other than that, I took up building in a MUD (anyone remember those?), began teaching myself how to code, expanded my knowledge about music and movies, etc... all to try to lessen the horrible feelings that I was constantly dealing with.  If you're anything like I was, your teenage years are just going to suck.  You have to try to do everything you can to keep your mind busy, sharp, and distracted. 

The feelings you're describing sound different from what I went through, but that basic kind of pessimistic outlook was identical to mine.  It's indicative of a lack of serotonin in your brain, or some other mood disorder.  I would strongly advise you to consider medication.  If that isn't an option, I really like the previous suggestion of helping others.  If your life is good while others' lives aren't, do some volunteer work.  What little I've done has flooded my brain with happy-chemicals when I've done it, and others seem to report the same thing.

I don't want to just tell you that it's "just a phase," but... my self-harm stopped in my late teen years, and those I know who also did it stopped as they grew older, too.  If you have clinical depression, it probably won't just go away and you're probably going to be dealing with it for the rest of your life, which is why seeing a doctor is a good idea.  Good luck to you.
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Re: Teenage depression or something like that
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 10:23:44 pm »

Thanks for the book reccomendation, T-Mick, I'll be sure to give it a try. Phmcw, of course I overestimate my abilities like a normal teenager. The problem is that, contrary to what Adventuring Vagabond said, it is not my own suffering that bothers me - there is almost none of that, I have a good life - it's the suffering of others. I, for some reason, care about random and even already historical people more that I should, so whenever I read about some pirate murdering some people, I feel honestly bad about those people. And somehow, that makes me think that all men are eventually bound to be killed by pirates, and that is the thought that makes me overly sad. So yeah. It's weird.

But thanks for the support, everyone! I'll try to follow your suggestions.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 03:10:53 am »

Hmm.  What if you tried doing some volunteer work?  You'd be helping to change someone, or something's destiny for the better, and you will most likely meet people who will make you believe in goodness.  Your empathy skills would also make you a really valuable participant!
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