Alright. Posting in the early morning.
Redact shorten..thanks makeinu. >_>
Note ahead: The...incident was more connected to the verbal attacks presented, implications made, and nothing else. Oh, and the labels. I hate labels from all of what happened in..the past.
And I'm quite backing on ToonyMan now
First, summarizing all Toony's claims and relevant notes. I will not bother with my tedium however. That's more clutter than not-what matters is the essence and not the person in this point.
Previous summary, hindered by net problems.With little to back him as town, however I did rationalize that the best case at the time was that 'we'd be needing an SK, however..' Counterpoint +broadened speculation now comes.
Let me start this off with a hypothetical--to think; not influencing from my point of view, but just to consider for the purpose of consideration (and no, this isn't any complex mode of persuasion or whatever. It is my own question to one single post Toony has given. It's a counter-stereotype, if such things were advanced as common knowledge.)
> Why would someone ignore a person due to their assumed role?
Why I ask, is also stated below (if you really want to connect this to stuffs).
Now back here. Why I think Toony is mafia:
> All points and queries made onto Toony are deflected by labels. Labels which take assumptions and implications at the time due to linearity. I'd excuse a tad bit of such, so to lack explanations, but as said before-his way of thinking to me has a lot of holes. It's different this time, however.
Bumping that summary, a tiny note at the end
goes to point on his
claim. The answer being, a label of 'SK'. Not scum. Sure to disagree on Mafia, but SK?
What I propose instead are the gaps in his thinking. Assumptions, therein.
If we mislynch somehow then I won't shoot since it'll be game over, but I do have leg-work to shoot if Tiruin is scum, so if anybody has any ideas...
'Somehow', is a good word to back up the lack of generalizing 'scum'. Plus, the only word of assuring is the orange portion--he'd be cleared if I'm scum, however I know the game will die given this case. I accepted him as an SK due to how he can stop scum-the same attitude, in his context, does not reflect however. The surity of 'fixing' scum (which I've to infer lacking direct answers?)
Calling out the people. While I share his viewpoint on how the logic goes, I fail to see the difference in a Mafia context.
> He claimed Vigilante-and says no kill, under the iteration of 'Well time to make you proud Makeinu.' without explaining why he didn't. This cover, sans the note of
fully and vehemently disagreeing on multiple vigilantes (other than one point in the same post, discontinued after), is perfect to assume given this case. Agreements can be forged, and contracts be drawn.
Problem being: Double-sidedness. Refer to the summary for a long list of points unanswered. The prospect? Generalization.
Busy today I could probably post more tonight.
Also, stop voting yourself. I think you're lying because you're the SK now. Elephant Parade's claim as a vanilla townie probably marks them as mafia, but I'll have to check back. I think you claimed because you are crazy! Do you realize the implications of claiming every single possible kill this game has had so far? If you're the SK or mafia then you're being super ballsy, if you're a town vig you don't deserve to live anymore.
The claim as vanilla townie marks them as mafia,
why? Nothing else but points being pushed!
Then the promise of shooting EP, preferred. On what basis?
Elephant's posts: 1,
2 and
3?
I see fairly little there, and too much of a risk if found out to be an SK.
Next, I can't fathom why anyone else didn't ask on the last orange portion (but me, but nobody cares.). Queried, and formatted for emphasis(formatted here, queried in the post after.)
And then this comes out.There is the disarming statement of
Also it's not exactly lylo, if Tiruin is somehow town then if I can shoot scum tonight we'll be okay, but I'll probably be killed tonight too.
Too many if's and possibilities that one speaking from a town-perspective wouldn't speak of, unless there was a certain agenda in mind. No speculation comes on his analysis in those posts-none, but he takes sarcasm as an
indicator without stating why. What is a threat to Mafia? The assumed SK. But why would you word it this way if you're on the
verge of winning?I'll leave that as my second hypothetical.
PS: You thought that EP is a better target,
compared to SBC given that your last post was after him.
> Oh, and one tiiiny point.
Notes on what your reads are lack every single bit of
why they are so. You don't think scientist is scum, why? makeinu as scum, why? These things are lacking.
You can have more than one vigilante. If you flip town (and vig), then that's exactly what happened. I just don't believe that to be true right now.
I don't really feel like answering your questions because I have a severe lack of time to waste (school started) and you're probably mafia. If you have any questions you want to ask me you can repeat them and if they're not too annoying to answer I'll do so, but there's no way in hell I'm going to read the last few pages word for word and digest every little detail, because really, the major points are what matter and if you really are scum (which I think is very likely) then this whole discussion of details is pointless. If you somehow are another town vigilante, then great, I'll shoot Scientist tonight.
If somebody can claim a redirect on Scientist that would be useful, but if it was scum that did that they probably won't!
You shifted from Mafia to somewhere else, and this was before my summary was posted! It generally asks why you do so (via reads
before and now)
I then condensed the idea to 'why do you think I'm lying?'
The response is lacking.Toony: Why do you care about me voting myself anyway? Why did you
not shorten when you did say
I don't see why the day has to go on any longer.
Aaaaand 4 hours left. >_>
And as a footnote to explain one part of before: Why I didn't see much scumhunting, is most of those who've posted have...tunneled. Or analyzed the situation presented instead of asking the others alongside them. Or preferably 'waiting' for the lynch, which is quite the understatement, unless this is how play is in the modern times (here's me expecting a bit more holistic analysis from people. Go expectations. Woohoo.)
Or is this a point of certainty? Surity in the masses? Displacement of clarity goes from one point to the other, that all others are voided until 'we're sure'? Maybe my definition of scumhunting is wrong, but it's more along the discovering-type of wordplay. Question many things, and only discard when you're sure.
Out of all those who're asking questions today, I didn't see much.
makeinuTiruin: your whole claim makes no sense, strategically. Seriously, what the fuck were you hoping to accomplish here? This is too bold for a scum play, and it's going to get you lynched.
What claim??? >.> What made no sense?!
Ughghgh. Could you be at least clearer!?
Ok, minus the 'drama' (yay, dramatic labels too.) I can see that you're trying to imply without getting a focus on which case at hand you're talking about--meaning: My whole vig-claim makes no sense: Yes it does-I was bussed. Do you expect people to accept a bus? I only say that I ask those to think before acting--seems like you did given the unvote (...and that's it I guess), seems like you don't (given everything else[?]). Strategically, I claimed to help town--is anyone disputing that point despite it mentioned before?
No.
Thrice plus, I expected such attitude and bias from you--but not this level of complexity and hilariousness which makes it all the more difficult to explain my case. I did ask to think-due to, and foremost-the psychological factor of due claiming. When one sees something irrefutable (ie counterclaiming and claiming), one looks first iinto the person's words to discern any innocence--I leave that to everyone. What I get is a generalization of myself, instead, and some factors pointing back on 'this doesn't make sense'. SOme factors which I can't explain in myself other than to discard the variable which I didn't believe to work logically--Persus hiding under ZU, in that case. Though it could also be argued that he did due to ZU's play, perhaps; the note that he was a Hider is an awfully convenient notion to present (see: above regarding Toony for more).
What I didn't expect is getting lambasted-at this time and scenario, I didn't even expect personal attacks to come-yeah, personal. If they weren't intended as so, then people wouldn't have made it so uselessly aggressive. What are you aiming for, emotional responses?! >_>
Now I'll try to explain this if I was scum.
If Mafia: I believe I'd be taking up TDS' platform-given his failed claim yesterday, it would make sense that I know who my team targeted, and what powers are available. Perhaps, in this process, I would've taken it in my case to back it up-perhaps earn townie points in the process-and implicate someone else in how I did so. However in truth, making such a claim would lead to many other factors unknown to me (was I blocked/protect/inspect); and for posterity I'm assuming the best-Mafia-role here, the JOAT.
However checking the abilities-the Strongman is both a curse and a benefit. One is: I can kill, fully and wholly--the hitman, in other terms.
The curse is that if I my target is protected, the others will only wonder on two straights, both on my team: Bussing, or...anything else that changes their target-like, they were roleblocked (didn't consider this..) or..that only comes down to two things, however hard to prove given that town roleblockers would only take in context to know if their block was safe and discern from the Protector than the attacker. Logical reasoning and hence why I don't see scientist as scum-the timing and the...method(?) of how he claims do not look like a scum-counter (but the reason persists that beforehand, a plan could be sown due to a past member's claim on Vig), but I digress on logical assumption due to how risky it is.
The only solution is the lynch, however.
If SK: The only two powers are a Ninja/Strongman or a +1Hp. In that scenario, the former is picked-and the same benefits/detriments are in play. Expect a roleblock accusation, or a bus-something that should both be assumed and tied down from the individual viewpoint, however other factors would come into why the claim happened in the first place, wherein I can only see one ideal place:
> townie points. Compared to the wincon of kill everyone, the risk of claiming a Vig comes in with a whole lot of trouble...but the benefits of clearing up the stage would somehow also be a helpful point, perhaps? I didn't fathom on thinking on this any further other than this, but that's my best bet. In the shoes of the SK, I guess staying hidden is the best weapon possible, instead of making me visible.
And fixing/clarifying one thing:
Night 2, you claimed to kill Hapah. +!!scientist!!+ claims to have blocked you, making that kill impossible. Except, there's three ways that's possible:
1) JOAT Strongman kill,
2) SK: "If there is a Serial Killer, it chooses pregame between 1-Shot Bulletproof or Ninja AND Strongman kills as its extra ability. ", or
3) Bus Driver swapped you for another.
I see you fail to argue more parts, like:
> Bus Driver swapped scientist
So at this time, I didn't get how the roles worked. Next, I -didn't- think #3 was a mistake, but also..included that he might have been swapped with me, though I don't know how it works (one targets the other, which is bussed to himself..?)
scientistCab;t you at least get that I'm female?!
Goddamnit,
Sorry for the cursing. >_> I forgot your note about knowing other people and how your mindset processes it...
Same with makeinu, for the cursing. You're fully in the spot for judging such play, regardless of alignment (I'd pull up the notion of 'how could I know who x was, and that i'm being attacked for
results instead of
origins', and even then the case presented on my reads and reasons was..too much of a whole overview than a specific clause, which is what I meant by generalizing.) but yes, I actually am an idiot-not in playstyle, but overall as a person. Sorry for saying you're a jerk for that. Hope you're ok there..
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