Sorry about being gone yesterday, unplanned stuff came up. anyway:
@SuperBlackCat:since you've shown you sometimes miss stuff I thought I'd try and draw your attention. I'd still like to hear a response to
this post. I'd also like to add that, as makeinu said, Caz did directly claim town at points, but because I missed them and you could have two I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. What I'd like is to know exactly what your thought process was when you seemed to think that Caz was the target of the mafia and you were voting for him at the same time, that is my most major concern about you at the moment.
All things considered, though, you are no longer the person I suspect most.
unvote.Do not take that as permission to ignore what I said.
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ToonymanSo, at least you came clean about your bluff, but that doesn't really help how bad you look at this time. Looking back at what's happened this day, all you have done is lie, lie to avoid it being obvious you lied, defended the dark star, indirectly and directly advised the dark star. And while you asked people to clarify a few things, and acted suspicious of a few other people, you've only made two votes, one of which happened to be based on a lie, and the other of which I think has been addressed.
I that weren't enough, your overall attitude and perspective would suggest you're scum. As I mentioned above, You've only made two votes, and if you were town I think you'd have FOS'd me, not voted for me, as you had no real reason to think I was scum. You've also talked about strategy on two occasions, both from the
perspective of scum. I'll quote the two posts here:
@Tiruin:
Why is it the obvious scum kill? How was he a strong town read? Perhaps it was only a strong read for you? (Actually I share the read on Caz but still. Opinions Opinions. I wish to know more about your thoughts Toony.)
"Why is it the obvious scum kill."
One hour before Day 1 lynch:
I don't think Caz is the correct lynch for today. He's been very active and I don't really think he's scummy.
If anybody were to say that, that would make them an easy choice to kill since this quote gives townie points. It is the obvious scum kill.
"How was he a strong town read?"
Do you mean ZU? Because his reasoning was right about Caz. That is also why he died. I addition, I found ZU as a town read before day end because his questioning of you (Tiruin) was reasonably sound, it was about if there's an SK, and I didn't agree with your counterargument. I made amends and un-voted afterwards though.
Oh right, something I was thinking about at work today.
This is just a theory, but with the one-extension-per-player-only rule there can be some interesting meta.
For example, scum should not hold onto their extensions, this is because at the end of the game only a few people will have extensions, extensions help town for the most part. If there's two players left with extensions and only one is willing to extend, then that looks a lot more town. So to counter this the scum would probably want to extend as early as possible when it's much less useful and won't have the pressure of much needed extends towards the end.
In the first one, rather than talking about who the scum are, you talk about how ZU was the "obvious" scum kill, why did you think it was necessary to say it in the first place, looking at the original post Tiruin quoted, ZU being an obvious target is mentioned for barely any reason at all.
The second post, however, is even more disturbing for me. Rather than say that the scum could do X and we should watch out for it. You say they should do X because it will help them win the game. That phrasing basically outright states you don't care about what's best for the town, but instead what's best for the scum. All in all, ToonyMan, I'm almost certain you're scum.
@makeinu
+!!scientist!!+
I'll have you know that your name screws up my tracking spreadsheet. You don't compute. 
-snip-
Same thing I addressed with SBC above. Caz did actually explicit Town-claim, as well as adamantly insist not-scum several times. How does that affect your assessment of SBC's answer?
I'm sorry about your spreadsheet, though from a mix of this post and the post about rubbing holes in it, I can't tell what kind of spreadsheet it is. Either you were exaggerating about the holes in it, you have two spreadsheets in different formats, or you managed to rub your eraser through your monitor, which would be impressive.
As for SBC, I hope I have made that clear above.
@Triruin
Okay, so you've asked for a few things, and here they are:
First, a few questions I think I can answer at once:
> Why did SBC get your mention firsthand, before anything else? For someone keeping abreast of the proceedings, I find it quite peculiar that you take interest in someone being defensive (...In which I hope to ratify the two meanings of defensive: The dictionary, and the Mafia meaning)
> O_o Ehh? You find lying equal to a FoS, yet a subjective case towards SBC on definition of terms for a vote? Err..ok? What is your view on Toony, and all those who have voted him (look in the lurkertracker for a list)
| > | If you address these arguments with real and valid counterarguments, I am willing to believe you're town. (though it will take more than a few lines to convince me.) As it stands, however, you have done nothing to suggest you're innocent. |
Huh, so if he's able to address it correctly, you're willing to correct your suspicions. Why so? What benefit do valid counterarguments present compared to your read on him before that?
This all has to do with my play style. I'd explain my play style, but that would reduce its effectiveness. I will however state that I am nearly always willing to forgive people and state that I am willing to do so for a few reasons, but mainly because doing this keeps town from feeling like there's no way they can survive. This prevents the self destructive path of giving up that we've already seen.
| > | 2. [...]I'm not sure about TDS, I think that he either is scum, or doesn't care about the game, can't decide which one is more likely, but I definitely don't think there's enough to be able to vote for him with little reason given.[...] |
Tell me if I'm taking this out of context--but really? What exact posts did he do that make you feel like such? Please expound your insight on him, and between him and me-if it would give better detail.
Because I've lost quite a lot of hair dealing with TDS and I think there's more than enough to be able to vote him--however, it is to be noted that his style...deviates from conventional Mafia knowledge, and hence am acting why I am now: What do you think about that?
The general feel I get from TDS is that he doesn't really seem to care. This is just my opinion, but I think I feel this way because he seems to have missed more posts than he's ignored, and he isn't replying with much text. As someone who's been in the situation of being the most suspected, primarily for being defensive, I would think he'd be trying everything he could to seem non-defensive and he would at least fake scumhunt without end, whatever team he was on, that is if he took the game seriously. As I've said, though, this is only my own opinion, and it is likely biased and definitely less experienced, so I still think you could easily be right.
I'll post my opinions on other people when my homework's done and my browser is working again.
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