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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2013, 05:44:52 pm »

I'm somewhat interested, but right now I'm just farting around on a trial account.  I'll be lurking in case this comes to fruition, I'd love to be a part of a corp that had some regular stuff going on.  Not paying for Eve would just be icing on the cake.
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2013, 05:46:39 pm »

I don't have the time to be interested in what you're doing, even if it were true, but just a warning to everyone else, this whole proposition just screams, "Our dear Nigerian Prince would like to donate a large sum to an institution in your town." And Eve is known for it's scams...

Also note that PLEX only arrive on the market by people buying them with real money and then selling them for ISK. If you start producing "a ton of resources" to buy them up, their price will inevitably rise. This might lead more PLEX onto the market as well, but eventually you're likely to hit a point where you're not making enough to buy PLEX anymore despite how much you're "exploiting the system"

If any of that hasn't dissuaded you, how about this? "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

I sincerely doubt that the denizens of Bay12 will influence the market to any notable degree in regards to Plex. Dozens to hundreds of people in Goonswarm buy PLEX with Isk every month and it doesn't have much effect there.
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2013, 06:05:06 pm »

Theres just short of 2000 PLEX on the market right now so yeah, I would imagine the very limited numbers b12ers would consume would have very little effect.
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2013, 06:47:17 pm »

I might be interested in playing eve again.  I've played it now and again, but never had a group of people to play with.  So I've got a low/mid level pilot sitting around somewhere.  It's been too long for me to remember what kind of ships I can fly.
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2013, 06:50:13 pm »

a single person could theoretically provide up to 27 plexes with only a moderate amount of effort.

Then I would propose that you do whatever it is, confirm that it actually does work and that you can do it consistnetly, then come back in a month with 27 PLEX and say "hey, I'm looking for 20 people."

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You say one person can generate 27 PLEX month. So if it scales sufficiently that 4 people are able to provide 50 PLEX/month, after you've recruited your 20 players and sold a few for ISK on hand, you then play for a few months with those 20 players, funding everything personally and silently watching the group while you play in order to find some experienced, competent, dependable officers you're willing to share your "secret" with and who are willing to do it too for the benefit of the corp. A few months from now you have you plus three officers generating a total of 50 PLEX/month, easily funding and training the other ~16 other players you're playing with. Instead of recruiting more immediately you then sell about 50 billion ISK worth of PLEX and buy 20+ million skillpoint cap-capable characters for your officers, plus a sovereignty-capable character for yourself. Then buy a couple dreadnoughts and carriers, resume recruiting and take out a couple small lowsec corps for practice. You're generating 50 PLEX/month, so you can resume recruiting, maybe 30-40 players total. By that time you're also engaged in lowsec moon mining, have a 20% or so tax rate, establish a couple customs offices for extra income and you're probably funding a third of your players without even using your method. Then you start talking to alliance diplomats and in 6 months you're CEO of a nullsec corp.

Even if it doesn't scale at all, if you can personally generate 25 PLEX/month, the same basic plan would still work if you do it yourself for 2-3 months before you start recruiting so that you have ~50 billion ISK to start with. Limit the number of free-PLEX recruits to 20 instead of 30-40. You basically just need to be big enough that you can take on lowsec corps for their moons, and at that point recruiting pilots that aren't being personally funded by you becomes easier.

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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2013, 08:43:21 pm »

I would potentially be interested in being apart of this, but I hardly have the requisite time due to my new job to commit to this. Good luck.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 09:04:55 pm »

I'm pretty sure what he proposes is within the realm of reasonable for moon mining. If we can simply get enough people together, it's very realistic to suggest we could wrest control of several moons from a small lowsec corp. Then six months from now we could be running incursions. At that point, if everyone plays 2-3 hours week, that's enough to PLEX everyone.

Getting a coherent group of regular players together is the only real difficulty.

The overwhelming majority of moon-goo is worth almost nothing, there's VERY few truly profitable moons... and they are firmly in control of whatever giant ubercorp controls null at the moment and you have realistically 0 chance of taking any of them over unless you had hundreds of people with years (RL years) of skill training (and even, if by some miracle you took one over you'd NEVER hold it).

You might be able to steal control of some crappy moon nobody cares about (and even then, you'd probably just be better off paying rent) but most of them aren't even really worth the cost of fueling and micromanaging the moon mining equipment you need.

(unless something has changed since I played, which I highly doubt, given that the big alliances control the player council)
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2013, 09:26:11 pm »

My plan doesn't involve moon mining at all. At least for the 27 PLEX. I doubt I could get into moon mining quickly enough given my current skills even if it was worth it.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 09:51:37 pm »

MoLAoS, why are you so sure that you Sooper Sekrit Silver Bullet Method will reliably generate revenue for any length of time?  EVE is known for having fluid conditions, and it won't take much of a change in the current to dash your plans.  For the record, I'm not disbelieving your unstated method... just interested to hear expanded logic, if you can illuminate it without sekrit-breaking spoilers.

I played for about a year, late '07 to late '08...  and I did little else during that time, outside of eat/sleep/work.  It was like paying for the privilege of labouring upon a second job.  :P  That is quite incompatible with my schoolwork.  I do wish the B12ers good luck in their ventures, though.  :)

Just remember: It doesn't matter where you are...  when you undock, you undock for PVP.  o7
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2013, 09:57:06 pm »

I played EVE for a few weeks, but got bored since I couldn't find a group to play around with and I was hopelessly loss. I'm busy now, but in two weeks or so I should have quite a lot of freetime. So I'd be interested.
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2013, 10:13:45 pm »

I have a very old account im trying to get back, i might sell it if anyone is interested, since we are all familly here and that im not a scum or anything im willing to sell it to any good offer.

I will, once i get access back send a report on all the skills my main character has, i have a rokh, im caldari, i have good standing with pretty much anything i encountered. Last time i played i was missioning in empire space, never did piratry and im not that far from the first capital ship if i remember right. One side of me wish to keep the account with the famous, *in-case* i come back, but lets stay realist, i never played more than a few week each session and they are years long, last time i played was shortly after the first graphical liftover.
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 10:28:23 pm »

MoLAoS, why are you so sure that you Sooper Sekrit Silver Bullet Method will reliably generate revenue for any length of time?  EVE is known for having fluid conditions, and it won't take much of a change in the current to dash your plans.  For the record, I'm not disbelieving your unstated method... just interested to hear expanded logic, if you can illuminate it without sekrit-breaking spoilers.

I played for about a year, late '07 to late '08...  and I did little else during that time, outside of eat/sleep/work.  It was like paying for the privilege of labouring upon a second job.  :P  That is quite incompatible with my schoolwork.  I do wish the B12ers good luck in their ventures, though.  :)

Just remember: It doesn't matter where you are...  when you undock, you undock for PVP.  o7

There may be some issues with market fluctuations. But I know regular people reliably score enough money for 1 or 2 plexes using this strategy on their extra alts. And in theory its a method that benefits from economy of scale. I will probably want to diversify a bit more than the average person.

I am planning on using planetary interaction and I am applying to the rpg.net wormhole corp so I can be in the best place for it. I am going to use multiple accounts including each alt on each account. I should be able to make 1.5bil isk a month per account, although it wont be a steady stream. I'll have to do some work finding good places to sell and be able to make several p4-p5 products to avoid getting screwed by market flux. In theory one account should be able to plex itself plus 2 more accounts so running 4 accounts of 3 PI fit characters each should be good for 12. Assuming it goes well I'll expand my strategy. I have a lot of experience in click heavy stuff like WF exploration and ATITD mat farming so I should be able to manage that many accounts fairly easily. The main limit is access to enough planets I think. By having accounts use the same planets I save time on scans for hot resource areas, make my hauling a lot easier and faster and have access to tons of res in a few places to make effective production chains.

The way to make a lot of money is to exploit the fact that I can run multiple accounts as one person with limited overhead compared to people who only run their main account alts as PI. Plus I'm inured to the tedium of management stuff and I enjoy econ work more than combat in many cases.

Although I'm under guard of an established wormhole corp there may be some gank risk but shouldn't be a huge deal.

People in corp report being able to make 1.8bil a month with main and 2 alts all with 4s in the PI skills. Since I'm with a low to no tax corp in wormhole space I have access to top producing planets compared to hi or low sec planets as well as no import export taxes which increase my profit margin a lot. Ideally I'll be able to manage multiple high level production chains and I'll be able to have factories on the same planets as extractors due to having multiple accounts.

I have reliable intel of a 2 account PI player in the alliance the wormhole corp is in only spending less than 2 hours a day working and getting 1.2bil on each account, but he is less obsessive than me and doesn't produce high level goods either. I have time to work with optimal time cycles due to lack of major time commitments which means increased output plus I'll be using more accounts and in a decent wormhole for PI.

I actually calculated a much higher return than 27 plexes plus extra for ships but I want to be conservative so I am not personally disappointed and don't over promise anyone else. Ideally if I can handle 4 accounts which is 12 characters without a lot of hassle I will continue to scale till it gets too much. I'd like to spend 4 hours a day max but I may extend to more time and accounts depending on the actual profit.

You may also benefit from even more obsessive micromanaging of production thus increasing wealth if I procrastinate really hard on my game programming/design project.
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013, 10:35:28 pm »

I'm up for it, I've got a pretty old account with a fair amount of skillpoints. I've been thinking of trying Eve again at some point, if it's free I'll definitely see how much fun I can have with you.
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Re: EVE For Free(Possibly)
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2013, 10:37:54 pm »

Posting to watch. MMOs don't really tickle my fancy (too much grinding/tedium for my tastes) but I have the feeling that some interesting stories will come out of this thread.
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2013, 10:39:18 pm »

Heh, in EVE even Sov warfare is grindy and dull. Because Nullsec carebears need 2 days timers to get organized or else they are too insecure to fight over Sov.
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