Extend. I for sure need more time. Sorry everyone, life exploded again. I have less than an hour to make this post now, whatever I can't get to has to be put off.
Persus:
Feeling even guiltier about being IC and Scum? Is it bothering you when you do talk to us, because you are showing us what it looks like when a Scum is "lurking your way to victory will make it, y'know, easy"?
Imp, why are you ripping into Nerjin while citing little evidence besides your pet theory? And why would Scum Nerjin do that? Playing against scum playing for real is the only way to discover them.
Here are my concerns: Since I joined the game to when I made that 'theory' post, (and really from the start of D2) Nerjin had done very little - until after 4maskwolf made his claim. Then Nerjin interacted with 4maskwolf, but not others and not answering the questions put to him - though he did 'change his mask-like playstyle', which I'd tried to talk to him about/ask him about. Nerjin's change might be coincidence - he has since said he didn't remember to actually answer...
As for 'ignoring' questions I kept forgetting to actually answer them.
I interacted most closely with Nerjin in Supernatural 6, where he kind of just crumbled under serious pressure. I don't want to see a (another) breakdown and I don't want a Nerjin lynch, I want a Scum lynch. I have suspicions about Nerjin, but I did not want to pressure him 'hard'. However he had not responded to
any of my previous attempts to interact with him (other than maybe to change how he posted). And those were varied; I started with asking him about his posting style:
Is this style something you're still experimenting with and figuring out how to use? Would you recommend it to others? How much of it feels like Scumhunting to you, and how much reporting observations and providing feedback? Or is reporting and feedback a major part of Scumhunting? Can you suggest how your style could be read to interpret it for intent and alignment? It really looks like a wall to me this game.
He never touched that question D2, then at the end of the day I asked him:
Persus13, Nerjin: please explain your use of shorten in this situation. Why was getting 4maskwolf lynched as quickly as possible and ending all further chances for information to be gained this day, from anyone more important than ending this day asap to you?
Nerjin, you have a few questions waiting for your attention. Some are from me, but there's more than just those. Do you think you'll be answering them anytime soon?
D3 Nerjin did post, but it didn't touch my or others' questions:
Just a little tip to scum: Lack of active players makes it easier to win. BUT it makes the game boring, bland, and unforgettable. Yeah, lurking your way to victory will make it, y'know, easy but you'll feel much better about your victory if you win against people who are actually doing something.
That being said: Everyone should reread [at the very least skim] Days 1 and 2.
So I had to ask this:
Nerjin, any chance when you reread D1 and D2, that you get around to the D2 questions you completely have ignored all of D2? Mine but not just mine, and this isn't the first reminder I've made. When you get around to those questions, I'd also like you to answer this one too:
Why have you been ignoring these questions for so long? You appear to be completely cherry picking what you do and don't react to, and you are ignoring a lot of the game after 4maskwolf and I entered play. Why?
and a day later still had not been answered. Granted, Nerjin could have been going through real life hell and not been able to answer in a day - I'm getting reminded quite pointedly how that can happen.
But this 'not answering' had not been going on for 1 day. It had been going on since my first question to him, asked back on the 15th of the month - about a full week at the point I'm talking about! And Nerjin found plenty of time to interact with 4maskwolf, condemning 4mask for his playstyle (Nerjin
knows about people crumbling under pressure, knows about it from the inside, I have seen Nerjin do this) and voting shorten. I am concerned that Nerjin was pleased with a vote on anyone other than himself (especially a possible cop) and especially eager to end conversation that day - and he still was not explaining himself.
I know makeinu was Scum, and was IC. I don't want to hammer at Nerjin because I've seen him fall apart when he was Scumhunted hard - and he was Town. I do want, and need, to interact with him. But he
ignored or otherwise failed to respond to all of my previous attempts to interact with him. My 'theory' came from wondering about how it might affect Nerjin if he were Scum - because he'd know that makinu the other IC was also Scum. I tried to evaluate the whole of Nerjin's behavior against that theory, and it looked possible. It is also something very concrete in concept - almost like 4maskwolf's claim in how concrete and specific it is - and if Nerjin is Town, it is hopefully not threatening enough to make him fall apart - but it is an approach to try and interact with him that I have not yet tried (in any game) and I've never seen Nerjin interact so very little before this game.
So it's both a genuine concern and 'stretching out my hand to him', since he wouldn't interact with me to that point when I used more reasonable means, I'll go out on a limb and see if that works to trigger interaction with him.
Nerjin, I have a theory. When the game opened, both our ICs found out they were Scum. Both our ICs, being really nice people who wanted to help their newbies learn how to play but not wanting to wipe the floor with them, kind of 'panicked', said to each other in Scumchat, 'No way are we doing this to our newbies for real', and both decided to do the IC role right but play 'wrong', act Scummy to help teach the newbies what Scummy looks like. You decided to do one sort of wrongness, the other IC did a different sort.
The thing about a theory is that it needs evidence to support it. I don't see any evidence for it, and personally I see Nerjin as town.
A theory can also be a tool used to attempt to create interaction. When my other tools are not working, I am perfectly willing to use things that are not my usual tools.
I don't have time to review right now and find again where you explain why you view Nerjin as Town. I believe it stems purely from D1 reasons though? If you can quickly find where you posted those reasons and don't mind offering a link, that is awesome. If not I'll put finding them on my list of 'things to focus on'.
Oh! But then I see this:
Persus:
What about Nerjin makes you think he's town? He hasn't really played much. Although I'm not sure I buy into Imp's theory, it's certainly possible. I don't think it would be good for any of us if they both went in guns blazing, so this may very well be true. But it's just a theory. Just like my JK theory. Speaking of which...
And I can't find where you answered MOWE's question about it either. Could you/would you explain again and/or link the old reasons? I have minutes to finish this post and leave for school.
In fact, I'm out of time. I'll be picking this post and my thoughts up from this point when I get home from work tonight and I'll get the rest of it made, somehow.
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