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[ToonyMan]

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

[Superblackcat]

First of, how do people feel about a massclaim? Since half of us have already claimed, my thought is that we might as well do it.

Secondly. No Dopp kill again? What does that mean? It could mean that Caz was the third scum team member. It could also mean dopp didn't kill to cause confusion. Is anyone else concerned by this?

Thirdly, last night I protected Toony, as I considered him a good target for scum.

Makeinu: WHo did you inspect last night?

Superblackcat: What were the reasons for your vote on me yesterday? Why did you completely ignore Imp yesterday?

There were plenty voting Imp, I was going for the partner.

[Persus13]

Secondly. No Dopp kill again? What does that mean? It could mean that Caz was the third scum team member. It could also mean dopp didn't kill to cause confusion. Is anyone else concerned by this?

Thirdly, last night I protected Toony, as I considered him a good target for scum.

Maybe there was no kill as you protected Toony. He is pretty much 100% clear for his claim and the subsequent lynch on Imp, so it's not hard to believe scum would target him.

Well, if scum tried to kill Toony, I'd be dead.

[Jim Groovester]

Jim:  Are you indeed a mind stealer?  Did you munch on Caz and his tasty brain?

Yes. The quotes makeinu posted about my reasons are from me verbatim. Caz is town.

Didn't Makeinu claim that you said Caz was a heroic guard though?

I did but I lied.

I had a shiny Assassin Bot I could use, so I claimed a non-threatening role abduction in case makeinu decided to start blabbing all my secrets away, which he did, so that I wouldn't get blocked using it.

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

If Caz was a dopp I'd be telling you that Caz was a dopp, because they are not going to win this game.

[Persus13]

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

Yes, that's why I'm concerned by the lack of scumkill. If there had been a dopp kill, it would have meant Jim and Caz were town. Lack of one opens up the possibility that they were scum.

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

If Caz was a dopp I'd be telling you that Caz was a dopp, because they are not going to win this game.

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

[Toaster]

Interesting.


Caz:  Did you attempt to use your bot N1?  If so, on whom?

[Jim Groovester]

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

I do. Caz was a town Military Scientist. During Day 2 and Night 2 I was also a town Military Scientist. Now I'm just town-aligned.

[Caz]

Interesting.


Caz:  Did you attempt to use your bot N1?  If so, on whom?

Nah, I didn't target anyone.

[makeinu]

PPE: and here I was thinking aloud about the Assassin Bot and Jim goes and confirms it. And then why he used it instead. Stop that!

Know what's funny? If you'd said "Mad Scientist with Assassin Bot", I'd have been far less confused by the random role allocations.

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

Yes, that's why I'm concerned by the lack of scumkill. If there had been a dopp kill, it would have meant Jim and Caz were town. Lack of one opens up the possibility that they were scum.

WIFOM.

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

If Caz was a dopp I'd be telling you that Caz was a dopp, because they are not going to win this game.

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

He's a Mind Stealer. He could have targeted anyone fairly well known last night to be Town after outing Caz, and there'd be no more dopp wincon. Ergo, he's truth telling.


Tiruin confirmed to me last night she knew RangerCado's role. She claimed also to be in contact with Persus, and claimed was protecting me (Jim or me, she said, but Jim claimed Heroic Guard, and I am "the cop" in her words). I'm not dead, obviously, so either she protected me as Town, or to spread WIFOM, said that and then didn't kill me as cover.

There's only three choices for the last dopp, as I see it:

1) Superblackcat
2) Toaster
3) Tiruin

1) I took a read on Superblackcat last night, and got no information of note, meaning he has no role. That doesn't rule out human or dopp necessarily. Comes across as scummy but not scum to me, and some of that is residual still from Max White on D1.

2) Toaster doesn't have a scum read to me. That's just a hunch, so take it for what it's worth, but if he's hiding, he's doing a damn good job of it.

3) Tiruin still has the highest scum read on my part. Sorry, meta here, but we did just finish Sprint, and you almost had me completely snowed there. And I'm seeing similar play patterns that I don't know are your normal meta or not.


I'm half ready to vote now. But there are lingering questions that float at the back of my mind. Here's one...

Jim, I know the answer, but I want to hear you say it: why'd you target RangerCado?

PPE again:

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

I do. Caz was a town Military Scientist. During Day 2 and Night 2 I was also a town Military Scientist. Now I'm just town-aligned.

He's wondering why you'd bus on Caz as a dopp.

[Persus13]

I'd have been far less confused by the random role allocations.

Why were you so confused on that? Multiple guards being rolled doesn't decrease the chance another will be rollled.

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

Yes, that's why I'm concerned by the lack of scumkill. If there had been a dopp kill, it would have meant Jim and Caz were town. Lack of one opens up the possibility that they were scum.

WIFOM.

I fail to see how this is WIFOM. I fail to see how Jim and Caz could be anything but town if there was no scum kill last night.
 

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

If Caz was a dopp I'd be telling you that Caz was a dopp, because they are not going to win this game.

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

He's a Mind Stealer. He could have targeted anyone fairly well known last night to be Town after outing Caz, and there'd be no more dopp wincon. Ergo, he's truth telling.

I fail to understand your point.

Tiruin confirmed to me last night she knew RangerCado's role. She claimed also to be in contact with Persus, and claimed was protecting me (Jim or me, she said, but Jim claimed Heroic Guard, and I am "the cop" in her words). I'm not dead, obviously, so either she protected me as Town, or to spread WIFOM, said that and then didn't kill me as cover.

I'd like to confirm that I talked with Tiruin via PM. She knew I protected Toony and she told me she would protect Makeinu.

There's only three choices for the last dopp, as I see it:

1) Superblackcat
2) Toaster
3) Tiruin

I'd disagree with your list. Jim and Caz can still be scum. I doubt they are, but we can't be absolutely certain they're town.

1) I took a read on Superblackcat last night, and got no information of note, meaning he has no role. That doesn't rule out human or dopp necessarily. Comes across as scummy but not scum to me, and some of that is residual still from Max White on D1.

Max being scummy should not be a negative factor in your assessment of SBC.

2) Toaster doesn't have a scum read to me. That's just a hunch, so take it for what it's worth, but if he's hiding, he's doing a damn good job of it.

Agreed

3) Tiruin still has the highest scum read on my part. Sorry, meta here, but we did just finish Sprint, and you almost had me completely snowed there. And I'm seeing similar play patterns that I don't know are your normal meta or not.

I'm pretty sure what you've seen are normal for Tiruin.

SBC: What's your role, given Makeinu's claimed inspect?

[makeinu]

I'd have been far less confused by the random role allocations.

Why were you so confused on that? Multiple guards being rolled doesn't decrease the chance another will be rollled.

Because I'm not used to that type of setup for a game. I've seen weird setups before, so rarely am I surprised for long, but I've never played a game where the roles are completely randomly determined. Thus, three Guards, two Heroic, seemed odd to me

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

Yes, that's why I'm concerned by the lack of scumkill. If there had been a dopp kill, it would have meant Jim and Caz were town. Lack of one opens up the possibility that they were scum.

WIFOM.

I fail to see how this is WIFOM. I fail to see how Jim and Caz could be anything but town if there was no scum kill last night.

Because I believe Jim when he says that he sided Town by choice because the dopps aren't going to win this one. We scored two dopp lynches and no dopp kills in two day/night cycles. I've never seen that happen before. That's what the point of this is:
 

Oh then that means Jim has a town wincon now?  Either that or Jim and Caz are both dopps now.

If Caz was a dopp I'd be telling you that Caz was a dopp, because they are not going to win this game.

I thought you'd get the same wincon as the person you abducted.

He's a Mind Stealer. He could have targeted anyone fairly well known last night to be Town after outing Caz, and there'd be no more dopp wincon. Ergo, he's truth telling.

I fail to understand your point.

"Hey guys, Caz was actually a dopp and we can't pull off the win, so I Mind Stealed from makeinu and I'm Town now, let's finish this off."

Would he play that way? I don't know, but that's what he's saying.

1) Superblackcat
2) Toaster
3) Tiruin

I'd disagree with your list. Jim and Caz can still be scum. I doubt they are, but we can't be absolutely certain they're town.[/quote]

So you don't actually disagree with the list, just would add to it. Technically.

1) I took a read on Superblackcat last night, and got no information of note, meaning he has no role. That doesn't rule out human or dopp necessarily. Comes across as scummy but not scum to me, and some of that is residual still from Max White on D1.

Max being scummy should not be a negative factor in your assessment of SBC.

Shouldn't be, but that's how the primitive part of the brain works, then, isn't it? Trumping logic with feelings?

3) Tiruin still has the highest scum read on my part. Sorry, meta here, but we did just finish Sprint, and you almost had me completely snowed there. And I'm seeing similar play patterns that I don't know are your normal meta or not.

I'm pretty sure what you've seen are normal for Tiruin.

Fair enough. Still doesn't push her down my list, I'm afraid, sorry to Tiruin, until and/or unless new info comes out today.

[Jim Groovester]

He's wondering why you'd bus on Caz as a dopp.

Because I can pick a wincon and the dopps are a sinking ship.

I wouldn't out him as a dopp while I was dopp-aligned though.

Jim, I know the answer, but I want to hear you say it: why'd you target RangerCado?

Because I thought he was scum.

[Persus13]

He's wondering why you'd bus on Caz as a dopp.

Because I can pick a wincon and the dopps are a sinking ship.

I wouldn't out him as a dopp while I was dopp-aligned though.

Oh, I was under the impression you could only mind Steal once. That decreases the possibility of you two being scum.

So who is your scum pick for today?

Toaster, Toony: What's your take on Jim claiming the RangerCado kill?

[Superblackcat]

Man, you guys suck, I am the only fucking townie?

[Caz]

Man, you guys suck, I am the only fucking townie?

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