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Lectorog

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Friend cutting herself
« on: November 20, 2013, 08:54:20 am »

She's my best friend and girlfriend. We've known each other for about a month and a half, but we're pretty close. We only see each other on the weekends, but we text a lot, every day.

She says she does it because she feels she deserves it; no-one else is hurting her, so she has to herself. It's mostly about self hatred.
Sometimes she used to do it out of boredom or liking the way it looked.

She's been doing it for 4 or 5 years. I'm the first one to talk to her about it.

She agreed (last week, ongoing) to talk to me whenever she feels like harming herself; she's contacted me about it beforehand once since then, and has cut herself several times.

I want her to stop because it's not purely a symptom of a problem; I think if she were able to stop, it would be a good step toward feeling better.
I also don't like how close it is to suicide.

So, any tips? Google has yielded only more general advice, and none concerning a motive and deep habit like this as far as I can tell.

(I thought about being all sweet and dealing with it between us, no outside advice, but holy shit is that selfish.)

EDIT: Also, she's a senior in high school. 17yo.
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Re: Friend cutting herself
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 09:35:45 am »

You probably aren't going to get any advice off google because that's really personal. Everyone who does it has different motives. She sounds like the pastor in The Scarlet Letter.
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Re: Friend cutting herself
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 09:42:58 am »

Do you know of any particular reason why she would feel she deserves it? A number of little reasons? Something that would make her believe she is so worthless as to deserve the punishment? Is she ashamed of the act of cutting herself on its own as well, indifferent towards it, or somewhat proud of it, wearing it as a badge?

Just trying to get a feel for the cause of the behavior. There's a lot of reasons why she could be doing what she does, and the first step of handling the underlying problem is to identify these. That, and keeping her from hurting herself for now, wich you seem to have covered somewhat.
Some reasons I believe are common in these situations are: To punish the self, as result of a feeling of inferiority and/or self hate. As a cry for help, when words fall short. The thrill of the act and a love for pain. To seek attention, defining the self in a social context. I'm sure there's more, but I imagine these are the big 4. You mentioned self hate and liking it, do any of the others apply in some way you think?

Without further information I don't think there's much more I can advice on. Please do help her and try to get to the underlying problem, talk to her and understand her. Just keep in mind if she does it for attention then giving exactly that may work adverse, so think things through. It is good of you to want to help her, keep us posted.


Also obligatory people on the internet aren't the best source for help, with a (potentially) serious problem such as this, I can but suggest getting real help.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 11:08:35 am »

@Jelle: As far as I can currently know, its all self-hatred. Ignore the part about liking it; I understand how she feels there, and it's not relevant here.
As for why she hates herself and thinks she deserves it - well, figuring that out is part of the solution.

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Is she ashamed of the act of cutting herself on its own as well, indifferent towards it, or somewhat proud of it, wearing it as a badge?
She's a bit ashamed. She usually tries to hide it, but mostly so she doesn't have to talk to people about it.
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Also obligatory people on the internet aren't the best source for help, with a (potentially) serious problem such as this, I can but suggest getting real help.
Yep. Asking on the internet, however, is free and doesn't cause her any stress. "Real" help - assuming you mean professional - is something I keep in mind. I've been to a psychologist for depression, so I have some experience and bias on the matter.

You probably aren't going to get any advice off google because that's really personal. Everyone who does it has different motives.
Yeah, that's why I didn't spend too much time on it. Worth a look, just in case her case was common.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 02:52:16 pm »

As someone who used to cut himself on a regular basis this is the only advice I can give you- get off the internet and get her some therapy. Therapy helps with that shit, as does developing coping skills that replace the self-harm. Good luck with that.
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Re: Friend cutting herself
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 09:28:20 pm »

Be supportive. Educate yourself. Don't force her to stop.

You seem to be doing well on those three already, though. Kudos to you, and well wishes for your gf.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 12:43:16 am »

any tips?

If my experience with girls who cut is representative...my advice would be to listen to her, and to not push her to stop. She probably has reasons for what she does. Maybe cutting isn't the healthiest coping mechanism in the world, but taking away someone's coping mechanism doesn't solve the underlying issue.

My advice would be to treat her like a human being and try to simply accept what she does. Don't try to "fix" her, and don't alienate yourself to her by trying to take away the thing she does to allow herself to cope.

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its all self-hatred

She's a bit ashamed.

if you peceive her as "broken" and try to "fix" her by gettign her to stop...that reinforces that what she's doing isn't ok, and therefore she isn't ok. If you accept what she does, that tells her that you perceive her as an ok person. You accept who she is. Feeling accepted, feeling "good enough" is probably vastly more important than whether or not she has a couple scars on her arms.

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Re: Friend cutting herself
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 01:28:11 am »

@Jelle: As far as I can currently know, its all self-hatred. Ignore the part about liking it; I understand how she feels there, and it's not relevant here.
As for why she hates herself and thinks she deserves it - well, figuring that out is part of the solution.
And it is the most basic step usually done. Find the reason on why she does so, and what makes her think she 'deserves' what is being done to her.

I can give and rationalize this out..given personal experience (I don't cut myself, but I've had experience with people and seeing them "'deserve'..bad stuff").

Basically, communicate. Don't leave her, as I believe that's why you posted this down. Listen to her, and be a friend. No matter what wrong she has committed, be open minded on that, if she chooses to tell you.

Do not force her to stop, but try to...explain the situation, or tell her that you're open to help her. A little acknowledgement goes a long way. I don't think she needs 'fixing' but advice. Guidance. Support.

People aren't things to be fixed. And the shame is understandable (many people will relate with feeling ashamed because of a wrong act committed).

All our advice here is for you to discern. Hope it goes well there. :)
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 03:06:16 pm »

Usually "I deserve it" with self-harm means systematic abuse elsewhere.  Also, no, stopping is very much not a step to feeling better.  Stopping is a symptom of feeling better.

Good luck, OP.
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Re: Friend cutting herself
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2013, 04:39:18 am »

This is one of those things best handled by a councilor or medical professional. Suggest she see one.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2013, 11:11:31 am »

Usually "I deserve it" with self-harm means systematic abuse elsewhere.
Hm, I'm not sure what you mean by this?

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Also, no, stopping is very much not a step to feeling better.  Stopping is a symptom of feeling better.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I expressed the wrong idea in this thread. I think I have a better concept of the situation in my head.
I've stopped getting an awful feeling in my gut whenever I learn she's hurt herself again, so that's a good step.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2013, 04:19:18 pm »

That's in my humble experience of not enormous experience--seriously take it with a grain of salt.  But usually, when I've had friends who were hurting themselves, it was because they had someone else telling them they were rotten and guilty and etc. etc.--or that they felt was telling them that.  They want desperately to please this person, but they can't; and often, that person has some sort of power over them, to the point where there's no way they can fight without incurring severe damages to themself; so they yield, and part of yielding means taking the abuser's side.

And that means hurting yourself, because you're doing what the abuser wants--so that they won't hurt you more, since they can hurt you worse.  Recognizing that you're being abused can be a far worse experience than chronically hurting yourself, especially if the abuser is someone you're depending on and can't leave for a number of years.  Sometimes the abuser only remains in your head--not someone you're still in contact with, but their messages are still there, ready to tell you at any moment that that little mistake you made means you're worthless.  Sometimes it can be set off by a single act of profound violence.  Sometimes it's multiple, overlapping experiences of abuse which on their own could be dealt with, but together form a nasty brew.

Abuse can mean years of trying to put yourself back together, hold it together, and so on.  Sometimes if you hurt yourself you can save enough mental cycles to make progress, (or go in to work instead of just staring at the wall) so that next time you want to do that you have a little bit more energy to resist.  It gives you something to focus on, so that rather than having to talk yourself through the exhausting and exhaustive "Why I Don't Need To Be Punished Today" dialogue, you can just feel that residual pain and--there, you don't have to be punished because it's already happened.  Or taking your own side means curling into a ball and screaming and crying in pain for the sheer indignity and injustice of what's been done to you; and maybe you think that would be socially unacceptable, or you don't have the energy just then to deal with how tired you'd be after (even if you'd feel a lot better), or someone made fun of you for crying before, so that you'd have to somehow deal with that too, or you're scared that people will come to "help" you and you'll just end up abused again now that you're even weaker and easier to pick off.  Or maybe you still just couldn't stand feeling that degree of pain.

Or you want to kill yourself to get out, so you do something approaching that so you can keep going just a little longer.

When this sort of complex is set up, hurting yourself can feel good and be relaxing--a relief.  It can be a temporary surrender to the things overwhelming you, so that you can get up and fight the good fight just one more day.  Because that's usually the scale the war is fought on, though sometimes it can also be even by the minute.

Anyway, those are some possibilities, but they certainly aren't exhaustive.
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2013, 09:35:39 am »

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you.

Something along those lines makes sense, if not fully in that category. She and her family hardly even talk, though they live in the same house. She goes to a Christian school with very different ideals than hers, often resulting in her getting called out despite trying to do right. Worse things have happened in her past, though I don't know what; she's attempted suicide and changed schools multiple times.

I've learned from this thread that there's not any big step that should be taken (except maybe a psychologist). But that way of seeing it is something I'll definitely keep in mind.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2013, 09:22:18 pm »

I don't have advice for her, but I do for you, Lectorog (she's not posting here asking for help, you are).

Some of the tricks to getting information out of Google is knowing sets of words to search for.  Some of those sets:

dealing with someone who self harms
   http://www.helpguide.org/mental/self_injury.htm - intended for those who themselves self-harm (and less so for those who love them), attempts to help them understand themselves better and to find a way to redirect the pain.

Some substitute/redirective activities recommended for cutting:

◾Use a red felt tip pen to mark where you might usually cut
◾Rub ice across your skin where you might usually cut
◾Put rubber bands on wrists, arms, or legs and snap them instead of cutting or hitting


Might or might not want to recommend such things.  I do recommend you read it, and after you read it, decide if you want to read it again with her.

     http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/self-harm/  - This one's essentially a blogish site by a woman who self harms, and is part of a support group of other self harmers who are trying to stop.  Possibly good for you to read, and after you read it, decide if you want to read it with your friend.  A support group may/may not be a good alternative/addition to counseling.  Some of the pages on this site deal with information about how to help yourself stop doing that, others are for loved ones of a harmer.

     http://bipolar.about.com/cs/selfharm/a/0402_sihelp_2.htm   -   This one's strongly focused on helping the people who want to help a self harmer.  It includes stuff like how to protect yourself emotionally from the difficult feelings that you may be experiencing and has some suggestions of boundaries you might want to consider setting to help keep you safer and stronger while you try to help her.

There's other useful websites to be found too.  I'll be watching this thread now, so if you need help finding information, keep asking.  (Imp thinks she's 'good at Googling', hrmph)  We can and will give advice, but there's a huge net of wider information that you can be given links to if you need - what you've asked about is a somewhat specialized and often secretive topic, but the information's out there for people who are ready to stop hiding and for those who want to help them.

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2013, 10:23:54 pm »

Thank you, Imp; that seems very useful.
I won't have time to read them tonight (I have my own set of problems, hah) but I'll let you know when I do.
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