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[WillowLuman]

Leyic, when a CD is broken, the shards can be pretty nasty.

I count that as a video game directly killing someone.

Though that's more to do with the hardware than the game.

[Teneb]

Leyic, when a CD is broken, the shards can be pretty nasty.

No kidding. I once lost a disc drive to that.

I've had one not only break, but the drive open and spit them out. Gave me quite a scare, especially since I had been right in front of it a few seconds before.

[Leyic]

Leyic, when a CD is broken, the shards can be pretty nasty.

I count that as a video game directly killing someone.

EA's new tagline for Origin: "At least our games can't kill people." (Or more accurately: "At least our delivery mechanism can't kill people.")

Edit and on topic: What's the smallest group that's managed to take over an uncontested fort? My PvP guild managed to take Dragonclaw with nine people, though the enemy showed up before we could claim a resource to establish the transitus connection, and we were promptly overrun.

[The13thRonin]

Guys why is everyone walking away from me or crying?

Because you're more interested in being angry than in being right, mostly. Don't get me wrong, from the sound of it the game's fallen into all the traps that keep me away from MMOs in general, but near as I can tell you expected to be upset from the get-go and every opinion you have on the game is about justifying that expectation. It's petty nerd-rage all over - not necessarily wrong, but everything right about it is coincidental or retroactive.

Thanks for the clumsy and amusing attempt to conjure up ridiculous conjecture about my previous expectations. Because who would know me better than you, a random internet stranger!

Would you prefer to fly in a plane built by a company whose sole focus has been aeronautical engineering over the last four decades or would you rather fly in a plane made by the people who put the pull-tabs on soda cans? Because I know which I'd rather fly in...

Computer games can't literally crash, explode, be hijacked, or otherwise be directly responsible in hurting and killing people. Wanting any given game dev to repeatedly make the same type of game can only lead to a dearth of creativity. Rather than exploring franchises from radically different angles, we'd only ever get more-of-the-same but with a different story and flashier graphics. And as pointed out earlier, rather than having BethSoft make TESO, they hired people with MMO experience to make a new studio, so the devs weren't operating with a total absence of skill and talent related to MMORPG design.

It all falls back to a product not meeting it's expectations. I don't buy a computer game and expect to ride it up to perilous altitudes. I don't buy a plane expecting to put it in my CD drive. That doesn't mean I don't expect both to function to the best of their abilities in their PROPER roles.

[alexandertnt]

Guys why is everyone walking away from me or crying?

Because you're more interested in being angry than in being right, mostly. Don't get me wrong, from the sound of it the game's fallen into all the traps that keep me away from MMOs in general, but near as I can tell you expected to be upset from the get-go and every opinion you have on the game is about justifying that expectation. It's petty nerd-rage all over - not necessarily wrong, but everything right about it is coincidental or retroactive.

Thanks for the clumsy and amusing attempt to conjure up ridiculous conjecture about my previous expectations. Because who would know me better than you, a random internet stranger!

Even if you diddn't intend for it to sound like that, it certainly seems like an accurate description to me.

[The13thRonin]

Guys why is everyone walking away from me or crying?

Because you're more interested in being angry than in being right, mostly. Don't get me wrong, from the sound of it the game's fallen into all the traps that keep me away from MMOs in general, but near as I can tell you expected to be upset from the get-go and every opinion you have on the game is about justifying that expectation. It's petty nerd-rage all over - not necessarily wrong, but everything right about it is coincidental or retroactive.

Thanks for the clumsy and amusing attempt to conjure up ridiculous conjecture about my previous expectations. Because who would know me better than you, a random internet stranger!

Even if you diddn't intend for it to sound like that, it certainly seems like an accurate description to me.

A jolly good thing that I don't care how it sounds then .

PS - even if you didn't intend to it sounded like you'd agree with my current comment, so I guess you do.

Cue inception horn please.

[Leyic]

It all falls back to a product not meeting it's expectations. I don't buy a computer game and expect to ride it up to perilous altitudes. I don't buy a plane expecting to put it in my CD drive. That doesn't mean I don't expect both to function to the best of their abilities in their PROPER roles.

But you're complaining about how an MMORPG isn't enough like a single-player CRPG.

This is also ironic, as the way they've written the quests, TESO acts a bit more like single-player CRPGs than most MMORPGs.

[alexandertnt]

PS - even if you didn't intend to it sounded like you'd agree with my current comment, so I guess you do.

Wait a minute, I never implied that you literally meant those things.

So I guess I don't.

[Sensei]

Now now, everyone. The issue isn't that they didn't do what they were known for being good at. Lots of great games have been a developer's first step into a genre. The issue is that they tried something they happened to be bad at.

Anyway, I'm pretty confused as to WHO actually made ESO. It's made by Zenimax Online, who I think are a division of Zenimax? That means, NOT the same individuals making elder scrolls games, right? But of course, Zenimax was made by Bethesda to be an umbrella company, if I recall correctly. Furthermore, I hear stuff about Zenimax going ahead with the MMO against Bethesda's will? I think we need a more well-researched explanation of what's actually going on before we talk about who made what and already worked on what.

[Leyic]

Shouldn't credits exist for both TESO and the BethSoft TES games? Someone could compare these lists to see how much overlap there is. In any case, the guy in charge of TESO's development was brought on when ZOS was created and was previously responsible for Dark Age of Camelot, so he's definitely not someone with prior TES development experience.

[Putnam]

The overlap between the dev teams is AFAIK pretty much only in various consultation (Todd Howard, Kurt Kuhlmann, Pete Hines etc.) for various stuff.

[MasterFancyPants]

Guys why is everyone walking away from me or crying?

Because you're more interested in being angry than in being right, mostly. Don't get me wrong, from the sound of it the game's fallen into all the traps that keep me away from MMOs in general, but near as I can tell you expected to be upset from the get-go and every opinion you have on the game is about justifying that expectation. It's petty nerd-rage all over - not necessarily wrong, but everything right about it is coincidental or retroactive.

Thanks for the clumsy and amusing attempt to conjure up ridiculous conjecture about my previous expectations. Because who would know me better than you, a random internet stranger!

Even if you diddn't intend for it to sound like that, it certainly seems like an accurate description to me.

A jolly good thing that I don't care how it sounds then .

PS - even if you didn't intend to it sounded like you'd agree with my current comment, so I guess you do.

Cue inception horn please.

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[WillowLuman]

Cue inception horn please.

Here you go

[Leyic]

News! We finally know what's coming after Craglorn!

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• A system that allows grouped players to see each other even when they’re in different phases
• A justice system—steal from and kill NPCs and deal with the consequences if you are caught
• Migration of European Megaserver to our European datacenter.
• Field of View (FOV) adjustment
• Armor dyeing and tinting
• Two new Veteran Dungeons: Crypt of Hearts and City of Ash
• New region of Craglorn with a new Trial (the Serpent)
• Increased ability to pick up items in the world
• Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood storyline and quests.
• Spellcrafting
• Horse Racing
• Dragonstar Arena—similar  to Trials, but built for a group of four
• Improvements to fishing
• Crafting system improvements
• Improved Looking for Group system 
• Better NPC facial animations
• Guild functionality updates: guild store interface updates, customizable guild insignias, tabards, and guild ranks, and Guild Kiosks—guild stores open to everyone that are available to the highest-bidding guild.
• Auto-leveling dungeons that level to your group leader
• Awards when you repeat dungeons
• Imperial City PvP dungeon

Now hopefully this is a list of things they are actually trying to implement, and not a list of things they're only thinking about implementing (i.e. housing in Guild Wars 2 lol).

[Putnam]

Spellcrafting

How the hell in an MMO without imbalancing terribly.