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I tried setting up a dodge-me trap for forgotten beasts, but my first test subject is just standing on my repeating training spears, not even trying to dodge. Are forgotten beasts not able to dodge - or are they just so focused on breaking down my doors that they won't dodge?

[nekoexmachina]

AFAIK they do not have CAN_LEARN so they have 0/0 dodge skill which makes dodging highly unlikely for them.

[Grim Portent]

They might have natural skill in dodging, but I doubt it. We can eat them so they seem to have no [INTELLIGENT] token which means they probably don't have the [CAN_LEARN] token. I guess Toady thought that they didn't need to dodge much to be dangerous, which is true. Webs and toxins make up for their lack of skill.

[FrankMcFuzz]

Can dwarves still miss them in combat though? Due to being clumsy oafs.

[Urist McRas]

I believe they just ignore traps, they should dodge if being attacked.

[Mentalpatient87]

I had a water blob beast dies once because it dodged off a cliff away from a cat.

[duckman]

If the mechanisms in the trap have any quality at all, since quality determines the "skill" of the trap, then they're probably too good for the FB to dodge.

[Button]

They're repeating upright spike traps, so the trapavoid-ness of the FB shouldn't be a problem. Similarly, since the mechanisms are used for making them repeat, not hit, that shouldn't be a problem either.

The training spears are all of decent quality though - does that do anything other than cause damage?

[smjjames]

I think you'd want better than wood spears though unless you want to poke the FB to death. Though if you're just trying to make it dodge and not kill it via spikes, that should work.

[Proudnerd]

If the mechanisms in the trap have any quality at all, since quality determines the "skill" of the trap, then they're probably too good for the FB to dodge.

AFAIK the quality of the mechanism just affects the delay between the lever pull and the  trap/thing actually activating, not the chance to hit.

[smjjames]

If the mechanisms in the trap have any quality at all, since quality determines the "skill" of the trap, then they're probably too good for the FB to dodge.

AFAIK the quality of the mechanism just affects the delay between the lever pull and the  trap/thing actually activating, not the chance to hit.

No it doesn't, the delay is a fixed amount of time, no matter the quality.

[LumberingOaf]

Mechanism quality is purely a value modifier. While using high quality mechanisms can lead to happier dwarves due to their admiration of the world's most valuable lever, they're functionally equivalent to damaged, crude rubbish churned out by a dabbling mechanic and thrown to the trolls (provided said mechanism hasn't been utterly destroyed).

[smjjames]

According to the wiki though, the quality does determine the level of skill which the weapon in a trap is 'swung' or 'fired', I can't confirm this myself though since giant spiked balls and serrated blades are generally dangerous no matter the mechanism quality.

[LumberingOaf]

According to the wiki though, the quality does determine the level of skill which the weapon in a trap is 'swung' or 'fired', I can't confirm this myself though since giant spiked balls and serrated blades are generally dangerous no matter the mechanism quality.

This I can't comment on, since I don't rely on upright spikes for anything but prisoner execution. Delay certainly isn't affected.

[Till]

The quality of the mechanism determines the "skill" of a weapon trap, but not of upright pointy things.