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Re: Transhumanism Discussion Thread
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2013, 03:37:49 pm »

The problem is, sometimes the body does reject them, forming 'scars' of glial tissue, which actually can signal, but use a very different mechanism than neurons (calcium cation wave vs. depolarization).
Indeed, but given that we already have cases of that not happening, preventing glial tissue formation should not prove an insurmountable issue. We merely need to observe the conditions that involve it happening or not, and then try to ensure the "not" conditions are prevalent. From there it should be easy enough to narrow down the exact problem.

As it so happens, preventing glial tissue formation is actually the exact given reason for neuropozyne being necessary for augmented humans in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. They really did their homework on that one, as the primary need for it is also not in the body augmentations themselves, but in the biochip that attaches them to the brain.
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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2013, 03:49:13 pm »

The problem is, sometimes the body does reject them, forming 'scars' of glial tissue, which actually can signal, but use a very different mechanism than neurons (calcium cation wave vs. depolarization).
Indeed, but given that we already have cases of that not happening, preventing glial tissue formation should not prove an insurmountable issue. We merely need to observe the conditions that involve it happening or not, and then try to ensure the "not" conditions are prevalent. From there it should be easy enough to narrow down the exact problem.

As it so happens, preventing glial tissue formation is actually the exact given reason for neuropozyne being necessary for augmented humans in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. They really did their homework on that one, as the primary need for it is also not in the body augmentations themselves, but in the biochip that attaches them to the brain.

On the other hand, they screwed up by calling the biochips biochips. Actual biochips are not chips to be put in living organisms but a microscopic lab of sorts for biochemical analyses.
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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2013, 03:51:28 pm »

Eh, it's mostly off into fiction by that point anyway, and plenty of things have been given the same name as other things due to some misunderstanding/amusing anecdote. For example, tanks (machines of war) were given their name due to their visual similarity to tanks (holds liquid).
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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2013, 03:53:59 pm »

And you don't need to do anything to the brain to hook up cybernetics to it, unless they're actual brain augments. A prosthetic arm just needs to hook up with the neurons in the shoulder.
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« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2013, 04:01:17 pm »

The idea, I believe, is that it got around the problem of neuroprosthetics by having them be non-connected machines that take orders from the biochip.
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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2013, 04:04:32 pm »

Seems like neuroprosthetics would just be more straightforward, though. No sticking things in people's brains, no having to run superfluous artificial wiring across the body.
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« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2013, 04:35:38 pm »

Anybody heard about this Circadia thingy, and what it does?

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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2013, 04:46:08 pm »

As far as I can see, v1.0 measures your temperature and lights up when you have a fever. It can also send messages using Bluetooth.

So not much for now. Also, it's quite bulky.
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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2013, 04:48:46 pm »

Yea, that is a lot of brick to wear on your arm to tell you something your immune system already does pretty well.

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« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2013, 04:51:05 pm »

Yea, that is a lot of brick to wear on your arm to tell you something your immune system already does pretty well.
Your immune system has Bluetooth?

Meh, mine still runs using infrared.
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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2013, 04:54:17 pm »

Pneumatic tubes here.
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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2013, 05:07:32 pm »

Is anyone still using carved granite slabs for their immune system?

Do lead tablets count?
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Re: Transhumanism Discussion Thread
« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2013, 05:11:08 pm »

Hmm... The paranoid puritan in me sees in every step taking the human out of humanity an inherent slope I would wish to be not a part of. Yet the pragmatist sees the value of perceiving more, enduring longer.

I reckon once I'm old and in need of such things, long live the technocracy.

Until then, stay away from me robots. I'll steal your batteries.

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« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2013, 05:11:32 pm »

Is anyone still using carved granite slabs for their immune system?

Do lead tablets count?
I heard those had a horrible lifespan. Only lasts until you die of heavy metal poisoning.

If heavy metal poisoning is a thing, why nobody cancelled that concert around here last week?
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« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2013, 05:18:53 pm »

Technocracy is where society is ruled by scientists, engineers, and other in-field people selected for the positions they are best in. Most nations have elements of technocracy ultimately stemming from either a democratic or autocratic power structure, but people who say they support technocracy mean so in the sense that all positions would be selected in this format.

I disagree with technocracy. It has benefits, to be sure, but ultimately rulership should be derived from the people. Only by bestowing this responsibility can the people grow, and in time they will also fufil the standard of electing leaders who are qualified as they would be in technocracy. Otherwise, technocracy is not that far removed from the ideal of philosopher kings, which I also disagree with. To give you an idea, China is probably the most technocratic nation in the world right now.
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