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Re: Transhumanism Discussion Thread
« Reply #270 on: December 20, 2013, 07:54:47 am »

WHICH QUOTES TO PUT IN OOC THREAD - THERE ARE TOO MANY  :o
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« Reply #271 on: December 20, 2013, 08:02:16 am »

WHICH QUOTES TO PUT IN OOC THREAD - THERE ARE TOO MANY  :o

ALL OF THEM!
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« Reply #272 on: December 20, 2013, 08:12:58 am »

WHICH QUOTES TO PUT IN OOC THREAD - THERE ARE TOO MANY  :o

ALL OF THEM!
Then it's in context.
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« Reply #273 on: December 20, 2013, 07:57:18 pm »

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« Reply #274 on: December 20, 2013, 11:13:24 pm »

Ptw. I'd augment my body just to kill the pain, let alone other benefits.
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« Reply #276 on: January 03, 2014, 01:03:58 pm »

A bunch of good sci-fi short films.

A few with transhumanist themes as well.  I haven't finished watching them all, but here are a few:

- Dr. Easy
- The Final Moments of Karl Brant
- From the Future With Love

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On a separate note, I'd be curious to hear what people think of Cyronics.  I know there is a lot of scepticism about it, but I think its a good backup plan in case life-extension technology doesn't progress as fast as I'd like it to.  :)
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« Reply #277 on: January 03, 2014, 01:08:55 pm »

It's a back up in the sense of "Well if I'm going to die ANYWAY. .."

But I don't put much stock in it.
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« Reply #278 on: January 03, 2014, 01:42:26 pm »

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« Reply #279 on: January 03, 2014, 03:34:59 pm »

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« Reply #280 on: January 08, 2014, 12:33:18 pm »

Personally, my point of view on this is (as with all technology, really) that people should have to figure things like this out by themselves. I'm not just talking about the ethical point of view, but I'm also of the opinion that if someone wants something like this, they should come up with the idea on their own. This stops "I'm against it even though I use it"-argument dead in it's tracks. Also, if someone has had to go through the whole design process themselves, they know every caveat and problem that they will have to deal with in using said technology.

Slightly more on-topic, I personally would love to put my mind in a computer if it meant that I could use nanobot swarms to do stuff for me. I also have my own, significantly crazier plans for how to attempt transhumanism on a much larger scale (i.e. to a much larger "habitat" for the mind, not for more people).
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« Reply #281 on: January 08, 2014, 12:48:26 pm »

I'm not just talking about the ethical point of view, but I'm also of the opinion that if someone wants something like this, they should come up with the idea on their own. This stops "I'm against it even though I use it"-argument dead in it's tracks. Also, if someone has had to go through the whole design process themselves, they know every caveat and problem that they will have to deal with in using said technology.

Just like how people shouldn't use medicine unless they invented it themselves. Or tools. Can't use a spade unless you thought up the idea on your own. Does that count? It is technology, after all, if basic.
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« Reply #282 on: January 08, 2014, 12:53:39 pm »

Yup, that's the point where my ethics fall short and leave me standing like an idiot. Really, one of these days I'm going to have to decide what I consider the baseline for calling something "advanced technology". Although, truth to be told, can you imagine what would happen if you only let people who understand how a technology works use it? It'd definitely would decrease the amount of "drunk moron with a gun" incidents.

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« Reply #283 on: January 08, 2014, 12:58:46 pm »

On a separate note, I'd be curious to hear what people think of Cyronics.

Difficult to discuss without getting religious. Too much surrounding the subject that we just don't know and that needs to be filled in with personal assumption.

Personally, I suspect that it's probably easier to get that kind of thing to work if the body is put into stasis before death rather than doing what we're doing now: freezing dead bodies. If you're already dead...there's probably a reason you're dead. Freezing a corpse then thawing it out after years and animating it, then trying to "fix" whatever was the original cause of death...yeah, I think that's probably better described as trying to animate a corpse rather than "restoring from hibernation."

More religiously though there's the issue of consciousness. I'm not convinced that I am merely my physical body. If we're of a spiritual bent, I don't see any fundamental reason why a "soul" couldn't come back to inhabit a previously used, recently reanimated body, but it seems unlikely to me that the mechanics for doing so would simply be thawing it out and fixing whatever problem cause dthe body to die in the first place. Or for that matter, that the process would be very practical do it at all from a purely physical point of view of doing anything at all to the physical body itself. If you imagine a soul as a "thing" that can exist independently of the body, the what can you possibly expect to to do the body to cause a soul that's no longer present to "come back?"

If you want to take it one step further...personally...I suspect that consciousness is not an exclusively either/or a "physical body" or "soul" phenomenon. I'm pretty sure that a biological, physical human body could be made to function even without a "soul." I suspect that consciousness might be a phenomenon that relates to networked systems and observer processes. A human body is probably a sufficiently advanced system that is is able to ...spawn? ...posses? consciousness independent of non-physical "higher consciousness." To put it another way, do you believe that artificial intelligence is possible? Could a sufficiently complex computer become self aware? If so, well...human bodies and brains are fairly complex things. If a computer could become self aware, then why not a brain? But, I don't think that me, myself...my consciousness, what I am...is merely the consciousness of a brain. If my body were to die then be frozen for 20 years and reanimated...it may be possible that the system is sufficiently complex to manifest consciousness, and enough memory may exist in the brain for that consciousness to resemble me, but I don't think that consciousness would be "me." It might resemble me. It might be pieces of me. But it wouldn't be all of what I was unless the non-physical-body portions of my consciousness were to also "network" with the reanimated body portions.

It's fuzzy ground. I don't think that I'm merely my brain.

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« Reply #284 on: January 08, 2014, 01:12:10 pm »

Amusingly, from my point of view, using a massive supercomputer as your main "brain" (and using it to control a human body), seems very, very similar to the concept of a "soul". After all, isn't the idea of a soul just that there's something else that controls a human body besides it's brain?
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