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[Terenos]

Better than the alternative. Which is making him even stronger.

[evilcherry]

If I think that I have the intention of facing every single troop of the T'Ango at once you have gravely missed the point.

[Terenos]

We'll see how things go. Don't worry. Even if I win, you'll likely cripple me.

[10ebbor10]

A few questions:
Can I trade for technologies that will be researched next turn?
What exactly does ((Not exploited: Malachite)) mean?

Yes.
You have a copper and a malachite deposit in the same place. You can gather one of them, not both. (Malachite needs to be gathered specially, as it's a magical crystal thingy mineral stuff.)

[Terenos]

Whats the word? Does hte fight happen before or after? Or does Mr. Zero need to post first?

[10ebbor10]

I have some other things to take care of first. Update will be later.

[RulerOfNothing]

Well depending on the answer to your question, I'll take Mana Crystals and Elemental Magic for Mana Wells and Apprenticeship(if the answer is no, I'll just take mana crystals for mana wells)

Alright, so are we trading Mana Crystals and Elemental Magic for Mana Wells and Apprenticeship? And 10ebbor10, is there a limit or penalty related to technology trades?

[Terenos]

There really should be a limit or penalty. But so far, there isnt one.

Hey, I want me some of that Apprenticeship. Whatcha want for it? Either of you.

[10ebbor10]

The current penalty is that the tech starts at at least one level below that of the other player. Not much of a penalty so far. I'll see what I can do.

[tryrar]

Well depending on the answer to your question, I'll take Mana Crystals and Elemental Magic for Mana Wells and Apprenticeship(if the answer is no, I'll just take mana crystals for mana wells)

Alright, so are we trading Mana Crystals and Elemental Magic for Mana Wells and Apprenticeship? And 10ebbor10, is there a limit or penalty related to technology trades?

Done

[10ebbor10]

Anyway, here are some options to discourage science trading.

1) Forbid it.
2) Make it dependent on a dice roll. (Ie, there's a chance it won't catch on)
3) Make it count like you researched it (Ie, increase costs for next research)
4) Implement cultural osmosis (Ie, if many people have a tech, those that don't get it too)
5) Something else

[Ukrainian Ranger]

5) Make trade only for inventions, making one able to get techs from other nations (with their consent) to make inventions... Like  Nation A uses it's own tech A, and tech from another nation AND paying full tech cost

For example something like that :

Noticing how effective ranged combat techniques of Oedogi are, Whala decided to adopt it for their own use and create their own javelin throwers, light mobile units with deadly throwing spears ( Aggressive doctrine+Ranged combat(Oedogi) )

Or stuff that Tryrar made with artillery+enchantment

So, I propose that bought (or stolen, or acquired from trade\random interaction\events) techs of other nations being listed in a separate list, usable for inventions (but not as effective as it would be if one knew it fully)  but not giving direct bonus (For example, in no way livestock breeding techniques can directly benefit breeding whales)
Maybe allow to turn it into a full tech for a half invention points cost?, I think better not, because one can get real level from invention

That can be applied retroactively for the trade made earlier without hurting anyone

It will be beneficial to trade techs, but nations that no trade them will not lag behind techwise

[Terenos]

Awkward. Since innovations are how we level up techs. If I use your A, and my B to invent something, shouldnt I get A at level 0, or 1? I didnt have it. I created an invention with it. Therefore on a good roll, I should see some improvement in my level of the tech.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

If I use your A, and my B to invent something, shouldnt I get A at level 0, or 1? I didnt have it.

Why should you get level in A if it's my research?

[Terenos]

Its not like its 2 pieces coming together independently to create something new. Its building on knowledge. Can't build on knowledge you do not have.