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[Bluerobin]

Yeah, turns out I need more than a choice specs Latias with Trick to counter sweepers. That Zygarde with Dragon Tail was doing a good (if incredibly annoying) job of it, though.

Edit: Also, that 5-2 is actually 6-3 because of favorite-pokemon-double-points rule.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Right, right.

Me vs. Kansa, Round 3 (3-1)
Me vs. Kansa, Round 4 (5-2)
Me vs. Kansa, Round 5 (6-2, I didn't lose)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

GreatWyrmGold won the battle!
Kansa1: That is actually pretty awesome
Kansa1: And gg it was fun fighting against you
GreatWyrmGold: Good game to you as well.
Kansa1: I need to go now so can you post the replays?

I was already on it, Kansa.

[Akroma]

Here is the updated score:





With an amazing 62 to 62, Culise and Akroma are tied. Their performance next round will likely directly decide who wins - it's entirely open ended, and depends very much on the picks of the next round - the actual macth Akroma vs Culise might make less than an impact than the decisions of the other 4 players. They all will have the choice to defeat either Akroma or Culise - countering both of them is difficult - to deny them the points they need to out do the other. It's almost democratic. However, do not forget Rolepgeek is at the party too. If the trend of the last rounds hold, he may yet make enough points off Kansa to ALSO have 62 points, which would lead to an AMAZINGLY narrow final battle. Tops, he has 63 points, which may or may not make a difference. This triangle is where all eyes rest on, and where the top 3 are decided - place your bets!




GWG has managed to catch up a bit, and is now almost tied with BlueRobin. Assuming that Kansa doesn't do amazingly well against Rolepgeek (who knows?), these 3 form the second triangle, with also very narrow scores. As above, it is hard to predict who will come out on top? Will they focus on just countering a certain top player, to make sure this one won't win? Or will they turn into predators of their own, and put themselves on top of their own triangle, and become first among the last? Place your bets.




My bet for the last round, while I am secretly hoping for Gastrodon to deliver me to victory, actually goes to Culise. He has been doing consistently well, and my final pick is more geared towards making points off other teams, rather than taking points off Culise - frankly because I am not sure what can take care of the amazingly strong ensemble Culise has managed to assemble....except for one particularly nasty choice, which will mean my team will be sporting no mega evolution...and which may be utterly useless against Rolepgeek...I yet have to decide on wether to go with it or not.




My bet for the Bottom triangle goes towards BlueRobin. She has been my biggest thorn in my side, and I trust she will pick a choice that may ensure her ability to gain enough points next round.


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It's much of a mood kill that for the final score, we will have to wait for Kansa vs Rolepgeek, which might take a whole week, so I strongly urge you two to contact eachother and agree on possible meeting times.


And now, without further waiting, I shall open the final round!




Now your pokemon will be on lvl 100 (suprise). Add 2 more items to your inventory to choose from, mega stones are now legal.


Your final pokemon may be ANY pokemon that is not an uber and not someones favourite. This allows you full controle over countering or not countering.

[Bluerobin]

I wish the Latias/Latios mega-evolutions were a thing I had access to right now... oh well, at least my prediction of the conditions for the final round were right so all that planning didn't go to waste.

Question: My Togekiss forgot Nasty Plot for Fire Blast. Can I relearn Nasty Plot for the final round if it's an egg move? From what I've heard of the X/Y move relearner that's a thing I could do in game, I just don't know what the rules are for the tourney at this point.

[Akroma]

you may relearn it.




also, mega Latias has giganormours defences, excellent typing and freaking multiscale, one of the best abilities in the game. (and access to substitute and roost, with good speed to boot). Without a spec of a doubt, it will be harder to kill than even Lugia, the great wall of the ubers. Mega Latias is so totaly going to be ubers.

[Rolepgeek]

You can't make mega pokemon ubers. It doesn't work that way. You'd have to ban them using an item, which is really complex for a Smogon ban. They don't like doing that type of thing. They might make Latia/os themselves ubers, if it's too incredibly powerful, but...

Also, no such thing as Mega-Latias yet.

My only quandary is who to Mega-Evolve, for my last poke. Do I make Alakazam into the amazing destroyer it would love to be, even if it's ability gets worse? Or do I turn Tyranitar into a terrifying weather-setter-sweeper, as befits a mon with such a name?

[GreatWyrmGold]

No, go with Mega-Magikarp!

[Culise]

You can't make mega pokemon ubers. It doesn't work that way. You'd have to ban them using an item, which is really complex for a Smogon ban. They don't like doing that type of thing. They might make Latia/os themselves ubers, if it's too incredibly powerful, but...

Also, no such thing as Mega-Latias yet.

My only quandary is who to Mega-Evolve, for my last poke. Do I make Alakazam into the amazing destroyer it would love to be, even if it's ability gets worse? Or do I turn Tyranitar into a terrifying weather-setter-sweeper, as befits a mon with such a name?

They've done it in the past - Latios and Latias can't use Soul Gem outside of Ubers.  It's highly probable that they'll simply extend the item ban-list to include any stones that result in overly powerful Mega Pokemon. 

[Rolepgeek]

They can't?

O.o I never knew this. I suppose it makes sense.

[Culise]

They can't?

O.o I never knew this. I suppose it makes sense.

Nope.  Actually, a Soul Gem Latias can harder than a Mega Latias as far as raw power is concerned, neglecting abilities.  Mega Latios received Adaptability to balance that out for his STAB attacs, but Mega Latias gets Multiscale for increased defenses.  Certainly, she loses the chance to use Leftovers, which is unfortunate for a tank even though she has Roost and Rest, but an immunity and seven resists for the price of four weaknesses is still nothing to sneeze at, particularly since she gets to choose when to change her weaknesses. 

[Rolepgeek]

In whatever case, they aren't on smogon yet.

Mega-Mewtwo; Uber-ubers?

[Akroma]

mega mewtwo is suckerpunch fodder, thankfully. It does however, make sucker-punch almost mandatory in ubers, as the usual tanks Dialga and Lugia can only stand by helplessly as mega mewtwo rips them apart


Also, my team is now ready, went with the anti-Culise option. Hopefully it will be enough to get rid of Manaphy, if not, I'd feel rather cheap for using this option..

[Akroma]

waiting in arts and crafts.


if possibly, I'd like my first match to go against culises first match, to make sure neither of our choices are influenced by the others. I took great care when choosing my Culise-Counter..

[Culise]

I'll be dropping out of the tourney.  It's been pointed out, and not at all inaccurately, that I've taken advantage of the unsettled metagame to utilize formerly-uber Pokemon.  I note that this is not inaccurate because it isn't; I did select Manaphy in part because I thought it would be fun to use a Pokemon I never was able to use before, since I so rarely use legendaries and since it was previously banned. However, since it has turned out to be far too centralizing, it is probably best to set it and the team containing it aside from consideration in the final round.  ^_^

[Akroma]

Well, I have written out a long PM, trying to clear up the misunderstanding.


Long story short:


- your team has been going into an obvious direction since poliwag, or at least since politoad. Only I tried to counterwork it, everyone else could have picked counters, but did not - it't their fault for not doing so




- I overblew the issue, because of frustration - I carried two possible counters to manaphy, and did not manage to keep them alive safely until manaphy strated it's killing spree. I made tactical errors, you outplayed me - you won because of strategy, not because of manaphy. And to be fair, that was a close battle.




- despite that, the difference in our score is only 2 points - 7 to 5. I am just fond of complaining, it's my nature. I will even complain when I win full points to 0, as Rolepgeek can confirm (sorry about that). I am just vocal like that. I complain when it goes bad, I gloat when it goes well - like I was watching a sports event. Doesn't mean I am not having fun.


- even with manaphy, Kansa took you out, it's hardly centralising



- losing is still more fun than not fighting you at all - the tournament is not yet decided, and Rolepgeek and I still have a fair shot at victory. All that it takes is for you to slip up, which can very much happen - there are still plenty of strong counters against you out there.






But maybe, we can spice it up a little. And see how it pans out. With just a small rule-change, the playing field evens out, and what else might have been a loop-hole with ex-ubers, suddenly becomes even a somewhat meek option.




Since Culise is using Manaphy, and I am using Genesect, both of which are ex-ubers that might have been removed from ubers too early, I hereby declare the last round to be uber-legal.




Pick whatever you like.


This will make things quite suspenseful and hard to predict. Teams that got curbstomped by the three top players may suddenly prove an enormous challenge - now all three top-players will have to seriously look out, and it will be skill alone that can ensure their victory - afterall they have to do consistently well, over 5 battles.




For Rolepgeek, well, I hate to threat you differently, but as a top contender, I ask you to...be merciful. It is you who gains the biggest advantage out of this, so...a bit of mercy? (that is to be said, pick whatever you like, same rules for everyone...I am just hoping to maybe have a chance of victory >_<


edit: note, Mewtwo is already ubers, and becomes EVEN STRONGER as a mega. I consider it uber-uber, and will not allow it. It simply renders everyone elses choices up to this point moot.




edit edit: here is the replay http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-67122665

Akroma 5, Culise 7

You can clearly see here, what won the match was my decision to leave my offensively stacked Genesect in, while Umbreon could have easily tanked the hit. It was my mistake, not manaphy

this round counts, and I refuse to just declare it moot just because you defeated me. Here's my pride on the line too.