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Author Topic: Goblins: So How Hard Are You? (Makes sense in context)  (Read 154126 times)

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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Forgath confronts Darth Kore
« Reply #240 on: January 02, 2014, 04:17:13 pm »

His eyes seem to glow, and he seems cursed by dark magics... I think he's alive, though.  Particularly since undead don't have to breathe, and it was implied that the rope in his throat was asphyxiating him.  (Though it's possible it was only stopping his spellcasting, or maybe he still reacts to such things as he would have in life).

Maybe he was just finding it difficult to speak with a rope fused through his throat, and he wanted to be able to speak to cast spells? It did make him stop, though. Briefly.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Forgath confronts Darth Kore
« Reply #241 on: January 02, 2014, 04:19:44 pm »

I like this comic, so ptw.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Forgath confronts Darth Kore
« Reply #242 on: January 04, 2014, 06:31:55 am »

Even if Kore is undead it doesn't mean he isn't still a dwarf. Undead is a creature template, like humanoid, sylvan, infernal/celestial/etc., and it's entirely possible for a single creature to have countless different templates.

Though his curse may have the power to mess around with his racial attributes, since it is clearly capable of corrupting his class.

I looked this one up and you're right. The undead template changes type but not subtype, so if we assume the axe of racism gives its bonus to same creature subtype then even if Kore is undead he'd still qualify mechanically, unless his curse contains a clause such as baleful polymorph which alters creature type and subtype (unlikely given he's still very dwarfy looking). The only other exception would be if he's native to another plane, meaning he's an outsider type. And we're pretty sure he's native to this plane since Forgath knows him (or knows of him at least).

His eyes seem to glow, and he seems cursed by dark magics... I think he's alive, though.  Particularly since undead don't have to breathe, and it was implied that the rope in his throat was asphyxiating him.  (Though it's possible it was only stopping his spellcasting, or maybe he still reacts to such things as he would have in life).

Maybe he was just finding it difficult to speak with a rope fused through his throat, and he wanted to be able to speak to cast spells? It did make him stop, though. Briefly.
If we take this from a mechanical viewpoint based on 3.5 edition rules:

The rope trick could have interrupted verbal component spellcasting. However, here's something interesting. Lay on Hands is a (Su) ability, not a (Sp) ability. Therefore technically there should have been no loss of Kore's ability to use Lay on Hands even while having a rope stuck in his throat. It doesn't require a concentration check either. Only an antimagic field could interrupt this. I know the author commented on the amount of flak he got in his inbox when this page went up. I'm distilling the whole thing down to rule of cool and leaving it at that.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Forgath confronts Darth Kore
« Reply #243 on: January 04, 2014, 07:56:47 am »

I guess goblin-world is a place where every ability requires calling it or something. I declare my dodge indeed.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Forgath confronts Darth Kore
« Reply #244 on: January 04, 2014, 10:14:55 am »

If the "Kore from a parallel universe" theory holds true, he would technically be an Outsider, would he not?

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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #245 on: January 07, 2014, 10:16:23 am »

Silly Forgath, speeches are for inferior nondorfs!
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #246 on: January 07, 2014, 11:45:48 am »

Melodramatic speeches are for evil people.

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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #247 on: January 07, 2014, 11:48:01 am »

And we all know Kore's good.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #248 on: January 07, 2014, 11:49:39 am »

Unless they're for Lawful people, in which case, he'd have to be Neutral Good.

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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #249 on: January 07, 2014, 11:57:51 am »

No. Kore was cursed to be evil instead of lawful by a demon that didn't know how alignment works.

So he is Evil Good.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #250 on: January 07, 2014, 12:42:05 pm »

No. Kore was cursed to be evil instead of lawful by a demon that didn't know how alignment works.

So he is Evil Good.
That actually might be what happened.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #251 on: January 07, 2014, 03:12:14 pm »

No. Kore was cursed to be evil instead of lawful by a demon that didn't know how alignment works.

So he is Evil Good.
That makes too much sense.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #252 on: January 07, 2014, 03:27:08 pm »

I'd propose that Kore is just a Paladin of a god who is a shitter, and believes in the sham of moral relativism. Basically Kore's god says:

1: I support my worshippers.
2: My worshippers' needs matter more than the needs of other creatures.
3: My worshippers consider that their interests and survival are Good. Things that work directly against their interests and survival are Evil.
4: What my worshippers consider Good and Evil are what I consider Good and Evil.
5: My Paladins must be Good.

Conclusion: My Paladins must do whatever aids my worshippers and must fight against whatever hinders them.

So Kore can dial-a-Commune and his god says, "Hey mate, goblin genocide alright?" and Kore is all like "Sure thing boss." If Kore ever hinders his god's worshippers that could be an alignment violation, and if he fails to take advantage of ways he could aid them that could be an alignment violation. But anything he does that's not covered by those things isn't considered in his religion's morality, which means other actions don't affect his alignment.

Tough decisions involving hurting some of his people in order to help others of his people are gonna cause Kore turmoil. That's why Paladins make poor politicians.

Now consider further that if Kore's people ever die out, that is, not all Dwarves but just the worshippers of Kore's god, then Kore could be on a never-ending quest for vengeance. The potential vengeance of Paladins acts as a deterrent to those who would attack the worshippers; fulfilling that vengeance is similarly part of his moral duty. Any creature who ever hindered Kore's people would be a potential target for Kore's genocidal vengeance.

As I said, I'm not really arguing anything here, I'm just putting out there that Kore and his god could be using the fallacy of moral relativism to let him keep his Paladin status despite his shittiness.

Or he's a homebrew non-LG Paladin. Whatever.
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #253 on: January 07, 2014, 03:29:32 pm »

Oh, so Kore's that guy from Sword of Truth?
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Re: Goblins: A Webcomic Through Their Eyes: Silly Forgath
« Reply #254 on: January 07, 2014, 03:57:33 pm »

You know what? The only proof we have that he is a paladin is the axe. He hasn't smited anything, or used lay-on-hands. He must have taken an Alternate Class Feature.
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